kennetten said:

I have already stated the FAQ is specifically for the Mythos gate opening situation. I am sorry to tell you guys, but your interpretation is qwrong. There is no skipping of phases, you can have mulitple encounters, and the only effect being delayed has upon an investigator is during Phase 2. All of this is clearly supported by the rules.

Neither of you have supported from the rules anything you are interpreting. There is nothing about skipping an encounter if you already had one, there is nothing about not drawing an encounter if you are delayed.

The intent is to have approximately 2 OW encounters under normal circumstances. But getting a gate open up on you in Arkham during Phase 3 means you are destined to have 3 OW encounters.

Well the way I see it, you have not rules to clearly support your claim either. It`s all about interpretation. I think we can agree to disagree.

Maybe Kevin can throw us a bone?

kennetten said:

Actually all we've been doing is quoting rules, and you've all been choosing to ignore them. The rules state, right at the beginning of Phase IV: During the Other World Encounters Phase, investigators in Other World spaces have encounters there.

There's no "Unless drawn through by having an encounter during phase 3 that specifically opens a gate up on the investigator."

The phases go in order. If you're in an other world space in phase 4, you have an encounter, and it doesn't matter how you get there. It's in the rules. Just because you all choose to ignore the rules, doesn't mean we're wrong.

And I suppose if you want to play the game wrong, feel free. There's nothing stopping you from doing that.

johnwatersfan said:

You can readily quit that arrogant tone to me! If the rules were clear on this, we wouldn`t have this discussion now, would we? Discussing things is a good thing, as it leads to learning. Perhaps some rules could be changed for the better also? And who says I play it wrong? And even if I did, is it a bad thing, and wtf do you care? Quit taking this so seriously!

The faq is not straightforward as it has two contradictory entries. The fact there being a faq already states that the rules are NOT straightforward. None have managed to explain WHY there is a OW phase. Why not have an encounter phase with both Arkham and the OWs and thats it? Would save time.

Page 16 under arrested investigators also states that "Arrested investigators lose half of their money (round down) and are delayed. The player completely skips the next turn, simply standing his investigator marker and placing it in the main area of the Police Station during the Movement Phase. The player may act in the following turn as normal".
There is absolutely no point in stating that the investigator is delayed here. The only similarity is the marker on it`s side. Still think the rules are easy to follow?

kennetten said:

The reason there is an arkham encounts phase and THEN an OW encounters phase is because of cards like "A gate and monster apears". You are supposed to have 2 encounters that turn (1 in arkham and 1 in the OW). If they were both part of the same phase then that would not be the case.

And yes the rules are easy to follow. The rule you just quoted says this.

1) loose half you money and go to jail.

2) be delayed (loosing the rest of your turn)

3) stand up and skip your turn (meaning you do NOT have an encounter in the police station. This is the difference between delayed and arrested)

4) continue as normal on your next turn.

A delayed character that stands up still has an encounter. An arrested player is delayed (loosing the rest of his turn) and then skips his next one with the exception of being able to stand up (and thus getting to move on the turn after the one he skips).

Kennetten, would you also NOT have an encounter during the Arkham Encounter phase if your investigator was delayed? Take the following, somewhat out there, but plausable scenario:

You've just returned from an OW and sealed a gate. Sadly, there is still a Child of the Goat in your location. During your movement phase, you try to Evade, but fail, at which point the CotG's power kicks in, causing you to be delayed. You kill it, but since you entered a fight, your movement is over and you remain delayed. Arkham Encounter phase, no encounter for you because you're delayed ?

kennetten said:

There are always exceptions to rules. And when there is an exception, there is some card or something that tells you what that exception is.

How do I know that I have the rules right, because I've read them. There is a clear, defined set of phases in the rules. Maybe you should download the rules off the webpage and actually look at the areas we're pointing you to instead of waving your hands and pretending they aren't there. In fact I (and others) continually QUOTE these rules from you from the Arkham Horror rulebook and you still insist that we're wrong.

Look at the phases in the rules. In fact here is the quote directly from the rules on page 5 under the heading "The Game Turn":

"A turn in Arkham Horror is divided into five phases.
During each phase, every player, starting with the
first player and continuing clockwise, performs the
actions that take place during that phase. Once all
players have completed a phase, the next phase begins.
At the end of the last phase in each turn, the first player
marker is passed to the player on the left and a new turn
begins.
The phases of each turn are:
Phase I: Upkeep
Phase II: Movement
Phase III: Arkham Encounters
Phase IV: OtherWorld Encounters
Phase V: Mythos
During each phase, every player, starting with the
first player and continuing clockwise, performs the
actions that take place during that phase."

Right here it explicitly states that the Arkham Encounters phase occurs first. Then the Other World Encounters phase. It's in the rules. Now under that it says that EVERY player performs the actions that take place during that phase.

Yes there are exceptions. When you cards say lose your turn. I'm not denying that. However, if there is nothing in the rules stating that these rules are changed, these are the rules you should follow. On one level I see what you're saying. You have two statements from the FAQ that seem to contradict each other. However, the FAQ you are quoting doesn't say that you get ONLY two encounters, just to make sure you have two.

I know you're allowed your opinion. However, the rules I am quoting are not my opinion, they are statement of fact. It's like someone saying "Gravitiy keeps us from floating into space." and someone else saying, "I think it's space aliens with a giant dome over the earth." Yes the space aliens are their opinion about what happens, but the reality of the situation is that gravity is indeed what keeps us on the earth.

I'm sorry if I sound and sounded arrogant. You sound just the same when you tell us that the rules we are quoting aren't the rules. I'm trying to point out to you how the game is played, and just because I didn't invent the game or write the rules, you seem to think that I can't understand the rules and how the game is played. I really think you should look at the rules we're pointing out to you, because we're telling you that they're there, and you just seem to not want to believe us.

There is another reason they are 2 seperate phases.

You can only close and seal a gate durring the arkham encounters phase. There are some OW encounters that allow you to escape back to arkham. If the Arkham encounters phase and the OW ecounters phase were the same phase you would then be able to leave the OW and imidiatly close the portal.

Because they are seperate you have to leave the OW through the encounter and then wait till your next Arkham encounters phase to attempt to close the portal (your next turn).

Combining them messes with the system and the order of things. You would in fact be wrong for combining them.

kennetten said:

We can certainly agree to disagree. And you are entitled to play the way you want. But the simple fact is, you are not playing by the rules.

There is no interpretation on our part. You have encounters when delayed. You have encounters in both phase 3 and phase 4. There is no reading between the lines or putting any interpretative spin on it.

If you don't want to play the right way, then that is perfectly fine. Just don't respond to this thread and confuse other members.

As this clearly has stirred the hornet`s nest, I have sent an official question to FFG:

"Hi,

if I, in the Arkham encounter phase (phase 3) draw a card saying "A gate opens", I immediately get drawn through the gate and get delayed, just as if I was drawn through a gate in the Mythos Phase (rulebook p. 9 under "important").

Question: when I am delayed in this particular situation, do I get an Other World encounter in the same turn during phase 4?"

Everybody agree that this is what we are discussing? If yes - we wait! If no - send your own question, post a copy of it here - we wait!

I have not been trying to offend anyone, I just disagree with some of you. This is completely in line with the rules for forum use, which we all must abide by.

Coltsfan:
Saying I should not respond to this thread (because you believe me to be wrong) is stepping over that line. You have no authorithy to even suggest something like that, and should know better.

What other members think is not your problem. People can think for themselves, at least they should. You being worried that other people may get confused just proves my point in that the rules aren`t that straightforward.

That said, I have enjoyed this discussion of the rules and look forward to getting an answer. If I`m wrong, I`ll readily accept that. No problem there.

Have a nice day!

kennetten said:

I didn't say you couldn't particpate in this forum - I said you shouldn't respond to this thread.

This a "rules thread" in which you are giving incorrect information. I would feel just as strongly and justified in my comments if you said something else contradictory to the rules - such as you don't use Combat checks to fight monsters.

In essence, you are saying that Phase 3 and Phase 4 are the same thing and only one occurs for each investigator. That is in error and clearly contradictory to the rules. If you want to particpate in the discussion, then point to the rules that backs up your claim. Otherwise, ditch the authoritative tone of your "rulings."

I'm with ColtsFan on this one.

And as of the "...as drawn through a gate in the Mythos Phase" in the rules, it states two things:

1. you are drawn through the gate (like when a gate opens during Mythos Phase and your investigator happen to be on that location)
2. you are delayed (like when a gate opens during Mythos Phase and your investigator happen to be on that location)

But there the comparison stops, it isn't saying that the whole phase is like the Mythos Phase (and certainly not everthing like rules and faq's that applies to the opening of a gate during the Mythos Phase). So then Arkham Phase is over, next Phase: OW. Your investigator is in OW and have an encounter there.

Nephilim said:

Yeah. The only reason it says it is "like being drawn through on the Mythos phase" is to exemplify the fact that getting drawn through a gate delays you.

When the FAQ clarifies that gates opening on investigators during the Mythos phase are intended that the investigator gets 2 encounters before returning, it means that if it didn't delay the investigator, s/he would only get 1—if you weren't delayed when a gate opened on you during the Mythos phase, you would move out of the first OW space without getting an encounter there. The FAQ didn't mean that the investigator was to get exactly 2 whenever an investigator is drawn through.

Only as a result of the order of the phases, getting drawn through on the AE phase nets you 3 encounters instead of 2. That is the dangers of investigating unstable locations, and is the nature of Arkham.