It is the 41st millenium...

No, seriously. Let's go through a list of names and speculate on who is who in the year 817.

Easiest is Dante. He is already the chapter master of the blood angels and has been for a long time. But Mephiston isn't Mephiston yet.

What about Calgar? Is he a young Chapter Master? What about the Dark Angels?

Alex

dunno that much about the space marine special characters, but everyone in any Dan Abnett book is long dead with the exceptions of

1. Abaddon

2. the Emperor (arguably)

I don't know what happened to Alpharius-Omegon.

Well for one, Lufgt Huron is, as of 817, the honoured and respected master of the Astral Claws, and has been for 99 years...

Marneus Calgar led the Ultramarines in 745 in the destruction of Hive fleet Behemoth, so yes, he's active as chapter master durng 817

Logan Grimnar became Great Wolf of the Space Wolves in 659, M41, so he's active in 817...

As far as Calgar, in 817.M41 he has most likely been Chapter Master for at least 122 years (72 years since the Battle for Macragge, arbitrarily saying 50 years as Chapter Master prior to that). Assuming that he was at least a 100 year veteran before becoming Master (and I reckon that to be low; 200 is more likely), by 817 he's around 235-240 years old (or 335-340). He still has all his natural limbs and both eyes. I think it's safe to say that whatever the case, by 817.M41 he's a well-seasoned veteran.

Oh and the Sabbat world Crusade started about 750, and the Gaunt's Ghosts books have reached about 775 or so. This means that the youngest members of the Ghosts would be in their 80s by 817. This is not to say they aren't still active, given rejuvenat treatement...

Commissar Yarrick probably hasn't even been born yet...

Commissar Cain might have been , as he was over 200 years old towards the very very end of M41. So by 817, he might be around 17 years old.

Okay, what about the Space Wolves?

Alex

ak-73 said:

Well, like I say, Grimnar is great wolf. No idea about Ragnar Blackmane, as I don't know his DOB. I would imagine that if he went straight from Blood claw to wolf lord as of the late 900s he's still pretty young, so maybe not actually born as of 817. A best guess would be that he was born maybe 900-930. Probably at least half of the wolf lords described in the new space wolf codex are active as of 817, though. (That last bit is total speculation, I must stress! )

I agree that Ragnar is almost certainly of the 900+ generation. That being the (assumed) case, Berek Thunderfist is the Wolf Lord of the Blackmane Great Company (a position he held until slain, after which Ragnar was elevated in his place).

For Dark Angels all I know is:

917M41 — Azrael becomes Master of Death Wing.

939M41 — Azrael becomes Grand Master of the Dark Angels

We know that Azrael was a member of the Deathwing and also Captain of the 3rd Company prior to this. So my guess is he is either of those "currently". Also it says that he "proceeds Brother Rhamiel". So we could guess that Rhamiel is the current Chapter Master?

I tend to use this timeline for this kind of stuff: http://www.scholaprogenium.com/timeline.html

Lightbringer said:

You are right, I was probably premature saying all of them are dead. although I would doubt most guardsmen would receive rejuvenat treatment. assuming Gaunt doesn't die in blood pact (which I haven't read and don't know what it's about so if I'm wrong please spoiler before correcting me) he might still be in action. and the defence of vervunhive is 769 and dalin was just a little boy like 5 or something. so he would still be in his 50's. might still be in service (again assuming he doesn't die)

everyone in Eisenhorn and Ravenor are dead except the daemons. I think the most interesting is the astral claws so far wouldn't it be great to run an astral claw in the deathwatch at the time of the rebellion. who was their parent chapter?

Narkasis Broon said:

Well actually, Dan Abnett is talking about rounding off the Ravenor/Eisenhorn books with a third "Eisenhorn vs Ravenor" trilogy, so who knows what's going to happen there! I seem to recall the books took place a couple of centuries before 817. Personally, I always liked to think of Ravenor as Inquisitorial Grand Master of the Scarus Sector by 817, but we shall see!

The astral claws are reputed to be an Ultramarines successor, but it's not entirely certain. As of 817 they are a very respected chapter, the most senior of a group of 5 chapters known as the "warders of the Maelstrom" who are tasked with defending the Imperium from anything that emerges from that particular warp storm. As such, they'd make ideal Deathwatch material...

Is Uriel around at that time too? and the chaos marine that hates him?

As far as the Ultramarines...

Calgar is Chapter Master

Cato Sicarius has yet to become Captain of the 2nd Company, but is an honored warrior (Soon after Sicarius became captain he was announced the Suzerain of Ultramar...in 849.M41)

Chaplain Cassius is the still rebuilding the Ultramarine's 1st Company, which will not be at 1/2 strength until 841.M41.

Sergeant Torias Telion is an active Sergeant in the 10th Company.

Although there are no solid dates, I would assume that Varro Tigurius is Chief Librarian around this time.

Uriel Ventris has not even been bron yet (was born on Calth in 876.M41).

Hope this helps.

815 (next year) Seth becomes Chapter Master of the Flesh Tearers

Mephiston doesn't become Mephiston until Armaggedon 2 (which is 941)

Ludoldus is most likely High Marshall of the Black Templars (Helbrecht is a neophyte in 833 during the Vinculus Crusade that Ludoldus was in)

The Ultramarines first company is still decimated and won't reach 50% strength for another 26 years. The noteable SM named characters are tooling around and have been for awhile (Calgar, Cassius, Tygerius). Uriel hasn't been born yet.

Hestan Vulkan is the Forgefather and has been kicking around for awhile.

Bloodquest has not happened yet (as Mephiston is Chief Librarian during it).

812 - Siege of Vraks begins. 820 - first sighting of the Alpha Legion at Vraks 821 - SGM Azrael brings the Dark Angels personally into the fight at Vraks with almost half of the chapter.

812 - Yriel and the Eldar defeat Hive Fleet Naga, next fleet is kraken in about 80 years or so.

The Sabbat Worlds Crusade MAY still be going on (as the books are up to 775 and there's a long way to go yet before victory).

Safe to assume Storm of Iron hasn't occured yet since that's one of the preludes to the 13th Black Crusade (like Angels of Darkness).

Sources : C:SM, C:BA, IA: 5, Bloodquest collection, C:Tyranids.

(Searched through BBB, C:DE, C:E, C:Tau, C:CSM, IA:3/4/8, C:Orks, C:DA, C:IG for relevent dates/events, the abovementioned are the ones that are closest to 814. No access currently to a C:SW sadly to place when Ragnar replaces Thunderfist).

Thanks guys. Anyone who has more, even if it's just educated guesses, feel free to join.

Alex

Interesting stuff on the DAs (fromB&C):

800.M41 - 899.M41

Eye of Terror – Approx 800.M41 – Chaos Gods!
Characters Identified:
Sgt Magron
Notes:
Magron is pulled into Eye of Terror and prevents Chaos invasion. Once returned to the Rock as a Fallen he repents and is executed.
Source:
Eye of Terror

Scappe Delve - Approx 800.M41
Notes:
Astelan comes out of the Warp on a remote mining colony
Source:
Angels of Darkness

Minoria – 832.M41 – Fallen
Forces Identified:
Entire Deathwing Company
Notes:
Deathwing divert to small mining planet and capture or kill population
Source:
Planetstrike

Scouring of Truan IX – Late 800s.M41 – unknown enemy
Characters Identified:
Azrael – Not yet Company Master
Forces Identified:
Unknown DA forces
Notes:
Azrael starting to get noticed
Source:
DA Codex

Chaos Titan Traitorous Ire – Late 800s.M41 – Chaos Forces
Characters Identified:
Master of Ravenwing Gideon
Sammael
Forces Identified:
Ravenwing
Notes:
Gideon is killed and Sammael hand selected as Master
Source:
DA Codex

Faze V Uprising – 897.M41 – Techno-Recidivists
Characters Identified:
Master of Deathwing Bekenel
Captain Azrael
Forces Identified:
Tech Marines
Deathwing
5th Company
Notes:
Techno-Recidivists and planet destroyed
Source:
DA Codex

900.M41 - 999.M41

917.M41
Notes:
Azrael Becomes Master of Deathwing
Source:
3rd Edition DA Codex

Approx 918.M41
Notes:
Astelan comes to Imperial Planet of Tharsis
Source:
Angels of Darkness

939.41
Notes:
Azrael becomes Grand Master
Source:
3rd Edition DA Codex

Seige of Vraks – Identified as 821.M41 (but this is chronologically impossible) Chaos
Characters Identified:
Grand Master Azrael
Forces Identified:
Half the Chapter
Notes:
Azrael directly commands half the chapter for a period of the seige.
Source:
Seige of Vraks Book 1

The Knight Worlds - Eldar
Characters Identified:
Int. Chaplain Uzziel
Codicier Ahiezar
Forces Identified:
4 Squads DA – 1 Assault, 2 Tactical, 1 Dev
Notes:
Uzziel is tricked into recovering Sword of Luthor
Source:
Short Story

Cleansing of Deganion XIII – Genestealers
Characters Identified:
Brother Bethor
Forces Identified:
3rd Company
Notes:
Bethor recovers 3rd Company Standard from Genestealer brood
Source:
DA Codex

Rastabal
Characters Identified:
Master Sammael
Forces Identified:
Ravenwing
Notes:
Sammael is heroic
Source:
DA Codex

Kaligar – Fourth Quadrant Rebellion – Chaos Fallen
Characters Identified:
Master Sammael
Forces Identified:
Ravenwing
Notes:
Sammael is Heroic
Source:
DA Codex

Black Crusade of Furion – ChaosHorde
Characters Identified:
Belial
Forces Identified:
3rd Company
Notes:
Belial bests Furion in Close Combat
Source:
DA Codex

Battle of Sularian Gate – Waaagh Groblonik
Characters Identified:
Ezekial
Forces Identified:
5th Company
Notes:
Ezekial uses Psychic powers to stop Groblonik
Source:
DA Codex

Rynn’s World and Bad Landing – 989.M41 – Orks of Charadon
Characters Identified:
Master Sammael
Forces Identified:
Ravenwing
Notes:
Sammael does air out of exploding Thunderhawk
Source:
DA Codex

Tharsis – Approx 995.M41 – Astelan leading Tharsis’ defense forces
Characters Identified:
Int. Chaplain Boreas
Forces Identified:
Deathwing
Battle Companies
Notes:
Defenses forces die to a man and Astelan is captured
Source:
Angels of Darkness

Kadillus Harbor – Piscina IV – 997.M41 – Warlord Ghazghkull
Characters Identified:
Master Belial
Int Chaplain Sarpedon
Int Chaplain Boreas
Vet Sgt Naaman
Forces Identified:
3rd Company, Deathwing, Scouts
Entire Chapter
Notes:
Belial, and others heroically hold Kadillus Harbor and Koth Ridge until rest of Chapter arrives. Naaman is killed.
Source:
DA Codex, 3rd Edition Codex, Angels of Darkness, Planetstrike

Stronghold of Voice of the Emperor – 998.M41 – Chaos Fallen
Forces Identified:
Unknown Company
Notes:
Unknown DA force apparently destroys BT cruiser after Cypher is captured in a joint raid
Source:
Black Templar Codex
White Dwarf

Space Hulk Charnel Shine – Unknown
Characters Identified:
Master of Deathwing Bekenel
Forces Identified:
Deathwing
Notes:
Belial becomes Master of the Deathwing
Source:
DA Codex

Abaddon’s Black Crusade – 999.M41 – Chaos Forces
Notes:
Multiple battles involve all Unforgiven

Black Crusade - Crassia II, Terraq – Chaos forces (Violators Chaos Space Marines)
Characters Identified:
Master Belial
Forces Identified:
Deathwing
Notes:
Multiple battles in Black Crusade, Violaters driven off Terraq
Source:
DA Codex

Black Crusade - Ex Lucan VII – Dark Eldar
Characters Identified:
Azrael
Forces Identified:
4 companies
3 successor companies
Notes:
Azrael leads Taskforce Shadowguard to destroy large Dark Eldar force
Source:
13th Black Crusade Sourcebook

Cordassa,, Pyrus Reach– 999.M41 – Fallen Chaos
Characters Identified:
Int Chaplain Grohm, 1st Company
Forces Identified:
2 squads 6th company
Notes:
Grohm hunts down Fallen leading Chaos Incursion
Source:
Short Story

Pious !V, Pyrus Reach – 999.M41 – Eldar
Forces Identified:
Master, 3 tactical squads
1 Deathwing squad, 3 Dreads
Source:
Short Story

Hyrus Secundus Pyrus Reach – 999.M41 – Word Bearers and Chaos forces
Characters Identified:
Librarian Crucius
Forces Identified:
Unknown number of DA
Notes:
Librarian is only surviving Dark Angel, inspires defenders
Source:
Short Story

Tyrine Pyrus Reach – 999.M41 – Eldar and Chaos Daemons
Characters Identified:
4th Company Master Kalidan Axyrus
Int Chaplain Lexius Truidan
Forces Identified:
4th Company Marines
Notes:
Cypher tricks DA into battle on Demon infested world
Source:
Short Story

Piscina IV – 999M41 – Cypher, Fallen and Rebels
Characters Identified:
Int. Chaplain Boreas and his Command Squad
Notes:
Boreas and his Command squad are lost protecting Piscina IV
Source:
Angels of Darkness

Corinthus V – 999M41 – Fallen leading PDF, Space Wolves
Characters Identified:
Captain Geiyus
Chaplain Vargus
Forces Identified:
Lion’s Pride Kill Team
5th Company
Notes:
Kill Team hunts and Kills a Fallen but Dark Force comes into conflict with Space Wolves
Source:
Sons of Fenris

Alex

Wow, the Vrak's stuff is way off with Azrael. Looks like somebody didn't do their homework!

Actually, after more reading of Purging of Kadilus Harbor, it would appear that some Dark Angels, upon their elevation to full rank battle brother, take a new name, and Vet Sgt Naaman muses that he is the 27th Naaman to have been in the chapter. So, technically, there could have been two Supreme Grand Master Azraels, especially since we don't seem to see the name of who he is successor to. Weak I know, but FW usually doesn't screw up that bad lol

Also, frankly Azrael was leading half the chapter at that point, even if not technically the chapter master they troops would have come up with honorifics based off the back of it, maybe they were premature calling him Supreme Grand Master but he clearly was Supreme Grand Master off the back of it and history isn't always perfect in the Imperium.

BrotherHostower said:

Firstly, BrotherHostower, that's some good work, clearly you sir are an Adept Loremaster.

Secondly, Captain Seth Gabriel of the Flesh Tearers is almost as good, though the travel time back to Cretacia might preclude characters running into him. It sadly also means that the Seth Eldbow won't exist yet sadly.

Yea, I'll just say that Azrael was the overall leader of the Dark Angels during Vraks and that he was Captain of the 3rd Company (rather than leading the entire chapter at that point). Still works well.

I actually didn't realize that Vraks was set in the year it is, I assumed all of the ForgeWorld stuff was 998ish (Badab aside).

Imperial Fists Captain Darnath Lysander

800.M40 (approx.): A three year campaign recovers the world Haddrake Tor from Chaos. In the course of the campaign, 1st Company Captain Kleitus is lost but passes the Fist of Dorn to Lysander before his death, and with it the 1st Captainship. Source Codex Space Marines (4th Edition) p. 47

966.M41: Lysander leads the Imperial Fists to Malodrax and scours the Iron Warriors from the planet. Source Codex Space Marines (5th Edition), p. 49

So it would seem that Captain Darnath Lysander is around and in command of the 1st Company of the Imperial Fists and he has the Hammer of Dorn in his possession.

Not so much, he was lost in the warp and won't show up till 966. (Your first and last dates are over 1000 years apart.)

The purging of conteqal was JUST finished.

The Legion of the Damned won't exist for another 100 years.

What about the Crimson Fists? Anybody?

-J