Ok, i have a player with a Devastator character that wants to arm mount a heavy bolter. According to the arm mounting rules it doesn't say anything about a limit on size of weapon. I am having a hard time justifying this as I have never seen any pictures are whatnot with a SM having a heavy weapon arm mounted. What he ultimately wants to do is arm mount 2 heavy weapons (one on each arm). Help me give a reasonable excuse to say no to this (as he already decimates thigns with one HB). I know as GM I can just say no, but I feel I need a rule backed excuse to deny his request.

Also, I have a Techmarine player that wants to mount heavy weapons on his servo arms, again I have not seen anything other than the new techmarine mini (Thunderfire cannon) to support this being able to be done. Also, I find no rules to support what he would need to do (talents and whatnot) to be able to do this if it can be done.

Thanks in advance.

No, you can't mount anything larger than a Pistol...

It says: Bolt, SP, Las or Melta Pistol....or Aux. Grenade Launcher, so no basic or heavy weapons.
Basic Weapons would be possible but then you would be venturing into special or relic weaponry.

JediChris said:

1. You haven't been reading it right. Only pistols of the mentioned type and the grenade launcher. He can't even put a bolter into it, only a bolt pistol. Only one main weapon per person anyway (read Page 208).

2. Read Machinator Array talent for limitations of what can be mounted on a servo-arm. Yes you need the talent to mount anything. Servo-harness won't help you either, see page 177. Again only pistols, sorry.

Alex

Ah, thank you. I didn't notice the fine print on the arm mounting.

Ok, but what about the techmarine that comes with the Thunderfire cannon? He has a missle launcher on one of his arms.

JediChris said:

I would rather dare to assert that it's an arm used for loading the thunderfire cannon (compare arm and cannon). It looks like a missile launcher but it isn't. According to the codex he doesn't have a ml either but flamer and plasma pistol. I can find those two on the mini as well as in DW rules (page 177).

Btw, he must be a higher rank Techmarine because only those are blessed with a servo-harness.

Alex

A loading arm! Yes, thanks very much

JediChris said:

Pick up Rites of Battle when you get the chance and show your Dev the Dreadnought advance . That's the only way to mount two heavy weapons on your arms.

just figured id point out some fluff if you can only arm mount pistols how do grey knights arm mount storm bolters .......

worldeater1 said:

"They can, you can't?"

Alex

As I said, those Grey Knight Storm Bolters are holy relics which require a lot of renown...

worldeater1 said:

Through relic-level gear allocated to them because of the insane threats they face.

Terminator armour arm-mounts heavy weapons like assault cannons and heavy flamers.

I'd allow arm-mounted on Terminator armour - indeed the rules for Terminator armour sort of suggest this is the case without expressly stating it.

Marneus Calgar's Gauntlets of Ultramar arm-mount bolters, so i suspect you're talking about this type of relic for anything larger than a pistol (or aux grenade launcher).

That said, Deathwatch Marines are the best of the best on a par with the Ordo Malleus Grey Knights so i think there's an argument to allow this kind of relic. Perhaps allowing arm-mounted bolters on power armour for Heroes with renown of 80+?

Calgar's gauntlets are more than just "arm-mounted bolters" though, being power fists with built-in bolter action.

Luddite said:

Don't underestimate how heavily ritualized and standardized everything is. You don't arm-mount a missile launcher to a Terminator armour. It may be possible but you don't. The mounting is not made for it and the master of the forge will raise an eyebrow if you ask for this. The standard loadouts have proven effevtice for millenia and you need compelling argument for customization.

Alex

ak-73 said:

This, frankly. It's a GK thing. Just as fire selectors and special ammunition is a DW thing.

Unreasonable questions don't require reasonable answers...

Even Terminator armor doesn't "Arm Mount" an Assault Cannon, he is just merely able to hold and fire it with one hand. Arm Mounting is the ability to have your hand free to hold something else AND have a weapon able to fire from that mounting.

Howdy!

I love the munchkin desire for an arm mounted heavy bolter. I know ....why not let him have a forehead mounted Plasma Cannon. I would ask the player to model a minature with the arm mount. Wait you say that would look silly. Exactly!

Arm mount pistols, and they have to be reknown 40+.

Thanks

BTW ... Grey Knights and Deathwatch are not comparable. Grey Knights are taken from "special" gene seed, are all psychers, and go through an additional 666 trials to ensure purity as they face deamons. Deathwatch Marines are SM that are good at killing xenos. Relics are supposed to be special. If everyone has one then they are not so special.

PS....A Chapter Master might actually have gear that is not available for a trooper. So Calagars relics are not standard issue for Deathwatch.

PPS...What reknown level do the characters have that want to load up on relics.

Don't forget, if a player truly wants arm mounting there is always the ability to be turned into a servitor by your friendly neighborhood Tech Marine.

ItsUncertainWho said:

I like your way of thinking

Arm mounted storm bolters appear in the armories of Inquisitors (one is known to carry a shoulder mounted psycannon) so a space marine having one doesn't seem to far fetched. Honestly there are things that could be worse. I would restrict it to basic bolt weapons and the pistols included.

foxalpha said:

It is not common space marine gear. Erioch probaby has one or two of those floating around, given how well-stocked they are, but in my game they'll only hand such out to very accomplished marines.

Alex

I can't seem to find them right now, but for either the 4th or 5th ed. Space Marine codexes, there were some official Devastator concepts you might want to find. They included Marines with shoulder-mounted missile launchers, a Marine with twin assault cannons, and other wacky things. Might be worth trying to find those pics.

Finding those pics actually sounds like a bad idea lol. 2 assualt cannons...um, no thanks

Howdy!

BTW psycannons are basic weapons, not heavy weapons. And they are only arm mounted for Grey Knight Terminators. Also, I have been WH 40k zealot for 22 years now and I have never seen a "stock" power armored Marine with 1 assault cannon, much less 2 assault cannons. I have seen Tech Marine conversions with a shoulder mounted missile launcher. But on that note I have converted minis with Chaos Terminators riding Juggernauts. But please just ask the player to convert a mini to reflect 2 huge arm mounted heavy weapons. Also what reknown are the characters that are requesting sacred relics.

PS..Devastators or Obliterators?