From Russia with love!

We are playing some legacy here and one of our players came up with a strange idea of using Isle of Pyke

Isle of Pyke (Ice & Fire)

Challenges: during a challenge, kneel one of your Greyjoy with an appropriate icon to have it participate in the challenge as an attacker or defender.

Example - my opponent declare a power challenge against me, then declare attackers

my friend wants to know - is there a possibility to use isle of pyke to have my Balon (for example) participate in this challenge as an attacker against(!!) me?

Ramzay said:

The designation of "attacker" and "controller" has nothing to do with who owns the character. If it did, Player #1's Greatjon Umber couldn't be used in melee during a challenge between Player #2 & #3 (and, of course, it can). You are allowed to use appropriately phrased effects to have a character participate in a challenge "against" it's controller.

I'm a little confused by your example, though. Who controls Isle of Pyke? Your opponent? If so, your opponent cannot use his Isle of Pyke on your characters anyway. Is it your Isle of Pyke? If, so, you could use it on your character to help him against yourself, but why would you? Unless you have a "lose by 4 or more" effect you want to use.

actually just to get power for renown )))

thanks a lot, ktom

Ramzay said:

Keep in mind that in order to claim renown, YOU have to win the challenge. See core rulebook: "If you win a challenge (either as attacker or defender), each of your participating characters with the 'Renown' keyword claims 1 power after the challenge resolves." Balon does not claim a power simply for being a participating character on the winning side.

Ramzay said:

Had a feeling this is what you were going for, but Saturnine explained why this doesn't work perfectly. The way that Renown is worded, the controller of the Renown character has to win the challenge before the character can claim power.

This actually leads to a very funny potential situation. We've established that if A attacks B, B can use his Isle of Pyke to jump his own Balon Greyjoy into the challenge as an attacker against himself. We've also established that if A wins that challenge, Balon will not claim power for Renown because the rules for Renown require Balon's controller (B) to win the challenge. However, if B happens to win that challenge (on defense), Balon would claim power for Renown, even though he was an attacking character and the defender won the challenge.