Has anyone heard if they will have the scout career in rites of battle?I would love to be able to be a cyrus type character or indeed a wolf scout or whatever the sons of fenris call them(not up on my space wolf fluff im afraid)

They're fairly easy to make through the normal careers, since all the skills you need are in there, as well as Scout armour.

None of us are that experienced at rpgs or their mechanics so we try to stick to the raw.It would be nice to have different modes or skill charts that we know are different but not getting to of the beaten track.We make enough clangers doing it properly without trying to make it up as we go along lol.

Honestly a Tactical Marine would serve you well enough, even as it sits in the raw. You have almost any skill you'll need to act as a scout. When you get enough renown get a Sniper Rifle or Stalker Boltgun. You can get any other weapon they use standard (shotgun, bolter, etc) early on too. The Armor is even free to substitute for Power Armor...

I thought that once leaving the scouts you usually ended up as a devastator before moving on into your niche? Not sure, been a long time since Ive read all that.

Either way, at least at character creation, only the devastator can start out with an Astartes Sniper Rifle without GM permission, or elite advances. Exotic wpn prof./Sig Wargear.

Don't really know why though. Wasn't to 'wowed' by the Sniper rifle. I can understand the accurate increasing damage, and the toxic helping, but 0 pen? Its borderline broken and should go into AKs broken post. I think it needs some love.

Lucrosium Malice said:

We have had a long debated on this and tempers flared on the one or the other. No real consensus could be established but one of the prevailing notions was this: for assassinating xeno civilian leaders and the like, people who don't have a huge soak, you use the Astartes Sniper Rifle. For heavy duty work you need the Stalker Pattern Boltgun. This weapon isn't broken in the hands of a specialist. And if this weapon isn't heavy enough, you need the Lascannon.

But yes the Astartes Sniper Rifle isn't good for sniping Chaos Marines. But to be fair the weapon description says this.

Also that only the Devastator can take this isn't all that broken either. Gamers are easily led by the title Devastator. They tend to think the PC left as a Devastator his home chapter to take on this role in the DW. This is not true. Specialties in DW mean inclination or what role a PC is going to fulfull, how he will contribute to the team.

The DW Devastator isn't a heavy weapon guy though; it's instead a name for the shooty marine. The Assault is the choppy marine. The Tac is shooty and commandy. And so on.

But that's just my 2 cents of it and my trying to make sense of it and trying to put the various pieces of the puzzle together. Let's say, if somebody doesn't like the Astartes Sniper Rifle I can see why. Given the existence of the Stalker Bolter (and the description of the tech the sniper rifle uses) I am willing to live with it as it is though.

Alex

The Sniper rifle is blatantly a needler. So no; it won't be good against armour, and isn't intended to be. Use a rocket launcher instead!

Lucrosium Malice said:

The standard progression within a Codex Chapter is Scout -> Devastator Marine -> Assault Marine -> Tactical Marine. From there one may be assigned to act as a Sergeant for a Scout squad, or be cast back into either the Devastator or Assault Marine rolls; but a marine is almost always assigned to take full advantage of their particular strengths while minimizing any of their weaknesses.

Siranui said:

I think it would balance nicely if it had a similar benefit as the Eldar Long RIfle receives from the Aim action. Give the Astartes Sniper Rifle and additional Special quality as follows:

• When used with the Aim action, the penetration of the Astartes Sniper Rifle's next shot is increased to 2. If the wielder Aims as a Full Action, the penetration of the Astartes Sniper Rifle's next shot is instead increased to 4.

I don't know, maybe. It's an idea.

-=Brother Praetus=-

Brother Praetus said:

Not necessary. The Eye Of Vengeance talent is what you seek. Just consider how many DoS you can get on average against a surprised target.

Alex