Am I blind, or are descriptive texts (and explanations for the 'Special'-quality) missing for the Fire Lance and Flame Hammer melee weapons?

They are missing. But they are in the supplement Heresy Begets Retribution , which you can get from here .

Thank you very much

I downloaded it just now.

Seems like the correct place to ask this one. In The Blood of Martyrs Armory listing for the Godwyn-De'az Pattern Bolter the ROF is listed as S/2/-, but the Godwyn Storm bolter has a S/2/4. If I would recall correctly, any and every "Standard" bolt weapon out there has a ROF of S/2/4 unless specifically designed for other purposes. Such as the Angelus Bolt Carbine in the IHB or the Bolter Cane, or "Solo" Bolter presented in Into the Storm. Im not sure if something that the Battle Sisters use for standard combat would have the same ROF as a pistol but 6 more rounds and the same range as a Standard Bolt Weapon. Or am I just crazy and looking into it too much before the next errata update?

The Mk.II "Scourge" in the Inquisitor's Handbook is listed with S/2/-, too, IIRC.

The bolter in the Dark Heresy rulebook doesn't have full auto either. I was surprised that the Sisters of Battle one didn't have it, but it is not unusual (in fact I think that woiuld suggest it is the norm, its just most of the variety ones that they bother mentioning do, but they are less common).

Donte said:

I think you got that wrong. I believe what all standard Bolt weapons have in common is the "tearing" quality and the Godwyn-De'az pattern Storm bolter only has a ROF of S/2/4 by the grace of having the "storm" quality (all "storm" weapons have a full-auto ROF).

What I don't get is why "Shield Robes" have a price tag of 5000 thrones and only give 3 AP. You could get Storm trooper carapace armor or even a stylized (robe-like) "best" quality Mesh Cloak and still be better off.

I strongly suspect that's a typo.

Yea, I could see Shield robes having a price tag of 500 thrones for the fact that they do still provide armor protection, but can also be worn in formal situations I believe.

Except that most careers presented in BoM start with Shield Robes and are typically part of an organization which will more than likely replace said vestments for most of their membership. I'd personally say the cost is more for persons not members or the Ministorum or the Sisterhoods trying to procure an authentic set of robes.

-=Brother Praetus=-

Indeed would I, but they chose a very awkward way to go around to representing that if so. The rarity scale tends to work fine for that, and they are Very Rare after all. They can always bump it up a bit.

I hate to hijack someone else's thread, but I figured that this question fit here.

Does anyone know if the AP provided by the Sanctified Chain Coat counts as Primitive or Modern Armour?

Unless it has the Primitive quality attached to it, it's not Primitive.

MILLANDSON said:

I would largely agree, but since it pretty specifically treats it as a "chain coat with warding" I would say personally treat it how you will. The web supplement didn't make any corrections to it, but the web supplement isn't errata - thus we won't know for sure until such time they do release it. The general consensus around here from what I see is its Primitive, and I would agree with that personally.

But yeah, by RAW its not.

Do the APs from shield robes stack with the AP from Sororitas battle armor? I'm trying to write up a SOB to run with some marines for a female player in my campaign, but I don't have this new book to use.

WillisRBC said:

No, it falls under the normal "wearing multiple pieces of armor" thing. The only time armor stacks is when its dermal style armor (skin or less : like natural armor or machine trait)

I'd hate to point out that the Angelus Bolter only has S/-/-. I checked the errata for a possible error, but I can't find one. It also doesn't seem to have Tearing, only Accurate, but I suppose that the entry in the errata for Bolt weapons also applies to it?

Of course, I'm just nitpicking

Arcaia said:

Its meant to be a sniper rifle type bolt weapon, and it fits that role perfectly via having S/-/-. Look at the fluff attached to it. Tearing can be applied to it if you want, not by RAW naturally, but its pretty universal for all bolt weapons to have tearing so it would make sense.

Rakiel said:

Actually, I had read the fluff before hand, and it isn't explicit about it being a sniper rifle, the best you get is mention of the best bounty hunters and beast-slayers, but I had missed the 100m base range. Personally I think it's good enough as it is, with Accurate potentially giving it extra dice for damage.

Arcaia said:

Rakiel said:

Herp derp. Posting from a laptop and hit publish meaning to scroll down which is just daft. Sure which I could edit or remove my own post :< Le sigh.

Anyways, yeah, its a glorious weapon. Accurate makes it princely.

Rakiel said:

Per the Dark Heresy errata, page 8, first column, last entry:

• On Table 5-7: Ranged Weapons on page 130 , all Bolt Weapons should have the Tearing quality.

I've always read that to mean all , whether in the core book or no.

-=Brother Praetus=-

To me, it doesn't, since it specifies Table 5-7 of the Core Rulebook. They would have to either a) include it in the errata of each book or b)state that all bolt weapons have Tearing period for it to be justified for me.

another question, what type of weapons are Baptismal hammer/mace, Demon pike, coresque, etc

i know the eviscerator is chain, although its not written. and the scorida is primitive. but what tarype are the others?

Rakiel said:

Is it your own judgement or there are some rules for that? As for me, I've always put Natural Armour and machine under normal rule, you've mentioned.

Lets take combat servitor, for example. It has Armour Plating (AP+2), Machine(4) and Armour: Carapace (All:6). So, his complete AP 12 or 6 ? I choose 6 (Armour Plating+Machine=Given Carapace).