We've played BSG the Boardgame quite a few times now - with and without the pegasus expansion - but last night we came across an interesting situation in which we didn't know what to do:

We were six to play the game : two cylons, one sympathizer and three humans...

Characters being played where :

Sharon 'Boomer' Valleri (interestingly she was human in this game - regardless of the fact that she had no less than FOUR loyalty cards after the sleeper agent phase );

Gaius Baltar (Cylon);

Chief Tyroll (Cylon);

Lee Adama (Sympathizer);

Helena Cain (Human)

Anastasia 'Dee' Dualla (Human)

In the first round after the sleeper agent phase Sharon Valerri ends up in the brig (as her character sheet says). Another human player - Helena Cain - ends up in the brig after a failed skill check on a crisis card. The next player reveals himself as a cylon, using the ability on his loyalty card to send the third human player to the brig...

As a result : all three human players are in the brig, one unrevealed cylon is roaming around the ship with the admiral title ... since all other players are in the brig and the sympathizer can not be admiral (all resources more than half full --> 'revealed cylon' see rules pg 19). If the second cylon should reveal himself... who would become admiral????

"Should the Admiral or President be revealed as a Cylon, the highest player in the line of succession for that title claims it. In addition, if the Admiral (but not the President) is placed in the brig, then the highest player in line claims the Admiral title. If an admiral stripped of his title, later moves out of the brig, he does not automatically reclaim his title." - Rules pg. 28

-- In case you would wonder: the humans did win the game

Someone check if I'm wrong, but I think that if ALL the players who are not revealed cylons and who are not sympathizers (or cylon leaders) are in the brig, then the person who was the admiral because that player was the only one at the time not in the brig remains admiral even when moved into the brig.

Basically:

1. highest line of succession human player (not symp, not cyl leader, not revealed) who is not in brig

OR

2. if none of the above, then whomever had the title before being brigged.

A case could be made that if all the humans were in the brig, then whomever is highest in the line of succession would get it.

Someone got the exact ruling on that?

Forgot to mention that in the end we decided upon using blind jumps as a solution to the problem. Since there is no Admiral on the ship, there is no one to decide where to jump to...

We quickly went through the rulebook but we didn't find an answer... but we could have overlooked it ofcourse...

cant see why people do not read the faq first..

Q: Who becomes Admiral if all human players are in the
“Brig?”
A: The character in the “Brig” who is highest in the line of
succession. If one player leaves the “Brig”, he immediately
becomes Admiral.

Turric4n said:

This is correct. But people miss things in the FAQ sometimes, no need to be rude about it.

OK... back to the initial question/setup.

In your scenario:

6 player game. 2 cylons, and a Sympathetic, and humans.

Sleeper phase. Resources all above half (in blue). Sympathizer immediately reveals, becomes a cylon player. They move to the cylon ship, dont get a supercrisis, can not activate the fleet, only put one card into checks... etc.

Boomer (human) goes to brig as per negative effect.

Shortly there after (say next turn) (Human) is sent to brig due to a crisis card condition.

One of the so-far-unrevealed Cylons players reveals, and their power sends a player (Human) to the brig. They are now revealed, go to Cylon fleet... blah blah.

So, you have two Cylon players revealed on Cylon fleet (one is a sympathizer and lamed), one unrevealed Cylon "on the loose" on the ship, and all three human players in the brig.

We did not talk about president but they President retains the title in the brig.

The Admiral would be the unrevealed cylon, who is a "human player" at this point, but in Meta-game we all know is a cylon.

Should you jump (or blind jump) that player is the admiral and selects and resolves the jump card(s) and any "admiral chooses" type options.

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What Turric4n said is totally correct (should the other cylon reveal, leaving no one "loose").

It did not sound like your sympathizer became a revealed cylon and moved to the Cylon Fleet, is that one of your problems?

Regardless, you ended up in a situation that is often the end for the Humans - not so bad if you are playing and can reach new Caprica, but still bad.

Is this on target? Did my pursuit track advance? <grin>

Remember, in the base game, you don't activate jump prep as a revealed cylon if you use the Caprica location.

Nor do you draw a crisis card if you're brigged if memory serves. The odds of jumping if everyone is either brigged or revealed is *extremely* unlikely. Cain's OPG is the only way it's going to happen, and even then, that's using Pegasus and the altered rules.

Yea, if you are playing the base game and all the humans end up in the brig, they're pretty much screwed. The only way out is going to be if destiny is really favorable or if you can simply exhaust the Cylons' hands by continuously bouncing XOs if all the humans draw green. Even with Pegasus rules its still a disaster if Cain isn't in the game as a human player. Maybe the Pres could use the title to draw Quorum cards a lot and hope to get a Presidential Pardon, but I've seen games where 1 Cylon player won vs 3 humans and a Leader with a human-friendly agenda after too many humans ended up in the brig. This is one of the reasons we don't use Boomer much, her weakness can just be way too crippling...