Since it was overlooked in the Bolter-Balance threat, I make a new topic:

Are the InquisitorsHandbook-Sister now obsolete? From what I hear at the various topics, it seems so. Still, if anyone could give me a vaild "yes / no", I would be very grateful. One of my players has a Sororitas.

thanks!

From what I gather the new rules for sisters are limited to starting careers and single ranks. I don´t think that there is a new entire career in BoM.

I hope that they don´t make already existing characters obsolete...

Storhamster said:

Actually, there is a new career in it's entirety in Blood of Martyrs , but it doesn't exactly render the old stuff in the Inquisitor's Handbook obsolete. There is also an sidebar taking up half of page 79 with ideas for how to tailor a Sister's power level to suit the rest of the groups.

• The Battle Sister is its own entire career, from Rank 1 to 8 with Seraphim , Celestine , and Repentia as alternate career ranks for it.
• The Sisters Dialogous and Hospitaller are alternate rank 1's for the Adept and prevent the selection of the Psy advances in that careers Lexographer tree.
• The Sisters Famulous are an alternate rank 1 for the Cleric career.

There are also alternate career ranks for (mostly) non-Sisters. These take the forms of the Confessor (Arbiter or Cleric), and Frateris Militia (Adept, Cleric or Scum) which may be taken as early as Rank 1; also the Redemptionist (Assassin or Cleric) which may only be taken at Rank 1. Additional and more advanced alternate ranks include the Arch Exorcist (Cleric), the Drill Abbot (Guardsman), and the Calixian Witchfinder (Cleric).

-=Brother Praetus=-

As written in BoM, new Sororitas Careers and Alternate Ranks are not mean to replace old stuff from IH.

Instead they are designed as more specialised and focused Career with less flexibility toward advancement.

So if you want to play a high specialized sister focused on her order, use the BoM's Careers and Alternate Ranks.

Whereas, if you want to play an Adepta Sororitas character but with more flexibility (i.e. warrior oriented but able to, later, specialize), use the IH's ones.

Besides that, IMO, the IH's Career is more balanced and well suited in a DH Acolytes' team than the BoM's ones.

Whereas, when using other BoM's Alternate Ranks or Careers from RT, DW or Ascension, the BoM Sororitas' Carrers and Alternate Ranks feel better suited.

Hi Praetor,

thanks for the reply! It was the detailed answer I was hoping for

DarkLoic said:

We can use old Sisters to represent Orders Magrida and Orders Planxilium, what do you think about this?

How many new full classes are there in the new BoM book?

Is there any way for other classes to get Pure faith?

Can I play a male Sister of Battle?

guest469 said:

Dear God please let you be kidding...

guest469 said:

I answered this in my above post.

guest469 said:

Elite advances. All Faith Talents have the Pure Faith talent as a prerequisite, if not others as well.

guest469 said:

Are you trying to give MILLANDSON an aneurism? Sister of Battle , Adepta Sororitas , each contains a linguistically non-negotiable indicator of a FEMALE character.

That said, if you were wont to adapt something of the Career and the various other materials in the book for a male character, it would be a plausible option. Remember though, they go over the Frataris Militias and the subsequent alternate career rank for them in the book. These would be the closest male counterparts to the Sisters without bringing up Adeptus Astartes .

-=Brother Praetus=-

Brother Praetus said:

Well people do want to play female Battle BROTHERS, an obvious male linguistically non-negotiable indicator of a MALE character.

@Peacekeeper

Yep! And worst of it: same kind of people do not feel shame in trying to Hijack my topic for such things*sigh*

ByTheWay & back2topic:
Is there any mechanic/work-around mentioned in BoM how the "IH-Sisters" could purchase the new BoM-Faith talents?

One of my players runs a Sorotias and I think good old Katja is worried that she might need to re-building her "Schwester Danielle" from scratch IF she wants any of the new-faith-powers.

Gregorius21778 said:

Very little shame at all.

Anyway, I think the easiest way to let IH Sisters get the new faith talents would be to replace all the entries for a faith talent on the IH charts with the generic entry of FAITH TALENT. The PC would still need to meet requirements for the faith talent purchased and the XP cost would be based on the available powers listing in the IH.

Or, basing it off the Sister Hospitaller entry, just allow the sisters of battle from IH to buy up to two faith powers are rank 1 (for 300xp each) and an additional 1 faith power per rank after for 300XP as well.

I'm in a similar quandry, got an experienced roleplayer who recently joined the group as a Sisters Dialogous (IH vintage). Rest of group is ~9.5k xp so took blinking ages getting the new PC to a similar level and then along comes BoM and throws a right curveball.

I'm going to suggest the character just carries on using the IH advance scheme for the Sisters Dialogous but adds the faith based skills from BoM as detailed above (2 @ rank 1 & one extra per additional rank, all at 300xp).

In slight tangent question, in BoM do the Soritas no longer need to come from a Scholar Progenium homeworld?

It goes against the background but it's far from the first time they've taken such liberties (Arbites used to all be from SP in a previous source), not that I care, I'm not that dogmatic and it increases the player options.

Does it say that the IHB version no longer requires a SP homeworld too, or is it not mentioned?

Face Eater said:

Greetings, Face-Eater,

under the new rules for the new carrier, SoB are now allowed to hail from Imperial worlds, Schola Progenium, Shrine Worlds and Monastic Upbringing.

(BoM; p49; modified table for random career selection by "home world")

Face Eater said:

Well, in the case of some of the other careers, they do not necessarily represent members of the actual organization. Examples:

• Arbitrator s may represent local Magistratum Enforcers or Bounty Hunters
• Guardsmen may represent Mercenaries or House Troops of a Noble Family.
• Scum are not always the criminal dregs of Imperial Society.
• Adepts are not always cogs within the cyclopean workings of the Administratum.

Sororitas and Clerics are nigh impossible to entirely remove from the realms of service within and for the Ministorum; as are Tech-Priests and the Machine Cult. Imperial Psykers are used in a variety of roles within the Imperium, not even the majority of which are with the Imperial Guard . Assassins are, well, what can you say about them that won't find you cold and lifeless the next day?

-=Brother Praetus=-

The Inquisitor's handbook had them as being able to be from Feral, Imperial, Schola or Noble backgrounds.

Unless that had been errat'd out.

I would also probably allow them to be from War Worlds (from Into the Storm). I see homeworld as more a part of where they are from 0r stationed and not just birth worlds.

I really do not like the world - career path rules. I've got a Feral World Arbitrator (think Walker Texas Ranger!). If the character concept sounds good and is not done for power playing reasons I'll always let it pass.

Peacekeeper_b said:

Peacekeeper_b said:

Gregorius21778 said:

Nope, page 42 first paragraph. Definately conflicts with page 20, but its the career entry.

from france

at least a hermaphrodite could pretend to become one . i love that joke.

what worries me if is there is rank 9 to 14 if not it s a big deception and ascension stil the worst book of the game.

You know, I find the best thing about the new sisters of battle is the REVAMPED stat array. I'm frankly irritated about how the IH sororitas and core book priests get completely out of control low cost stat ups, IN ADDITION to access to all the best combat skills , and special battle sister abilities.

So I wouldnt call them really obsolete, so much as I would call them nerfed, or repaired... I'm sorely disapointed they didnt fix the stat up array for priests as well.