The rules say that zeon accumulation multiple works just like life point multiples, but the rules for Ki say you can buy up the Ki accumulation for each stat, but it doesn't actually say how it works. I assume you buy up multiples just like life and zeon accumulation. Is that how you read the rules

When you purchase a ki accumulation multiple (the cost is what is shown) you increase the accumulation multiple for a single ki stat. All multiples start at 1x, so the first one you buy raises it to 2x, then 3x, and so on.

I'll point out again that yes, it is per stat, which means you'll probably want to specialize in just a few stats.

except it's not actually a "multiple" (which would mean when you have 1 in one accumulation, you'll still get 1 when you multiply by 2, 3 ...), you just add the points you've bought to your accumulation given by the characteristic

example : you have 7 Strength, it gives you 1 Str acc, you spend 10 for each point as a Technician, so spending 40 points will give you 1 + 4 = 5 for Str accumulation

the term "accumulation" is just as to how it works, you have to accumulate the Ki in you until you have the Ki needed to use the technique

If I have base ki accumulation 2 in a stat and I buy a ki accumulation multiple for that stat, do I get 2 ki accumulation points instead of 1? Thanks in advance for any reply.

Natso said:

Where can I find a reference that all multiples start at 1x instead of 0x or that it is per characteristic?

DarknessEternal said:

I think the 1x vs 0x is mentioned somewhere in the book, if you're up for a hunt start looking for it yourself, Anima is like this...

Elric of Melniboné said:

Now I'm answering this quote and the previous "per characteristic" request: again you could hunt for it. Or, try it the other way (make it apply to all characteristics, and make it multiply by the base accumulation instead of adding them together) and you'll see you have a horribly broken mess on your hands. A lot of the info we are able to provide you with on this board is simply things we've learned that aren't explicitly stated in the books (did you know they were translated from spanish to french, and then to english?).

If you don't know, you should stick to saying that. Otherwise you're just being a jerk.

A lot of the info we are able to provide you with on this board is simply things we've learned that aren't explicitly stated in the books .

Not entirely true, you just need to know how to read between the lines on certain occasions, and cross-reference rules until they make sense (i.e, if 2 rules seem to clash, then you must have misunderstood one of them).

Anyway, as fo the answers for the 2 questions: 1) Check table 50, page 94, and 2) Yes, a multiple is always ''a multiple of'' something, in this case the base stat. As such, if the base stat goes from 1 to 2, then if you purchase or have purchased multiples, all those multiples increase accordingly (for example, if at first you have a base of 2 and 3 multiples purchased, so a total of 8 (1 ''original'' multiple, plus the 3 purchased), and you increase the base to 3, then all multiples give 1 extra point, leading to a total of 12).

Arcaia said:

Pg 33 says buying Ki Accumulation only adds 1 point to the Ki Accumulation of a characteristic.

DarknessEternal said:

You mean the page with the Warrior/Acrobatic Warrior class costs/etc? All it says is ''+1 Ki: 2'' - the Ki points, not Accumulation - and ''Accumulation Multiple: 20'' It doesn't specify the amount by which the Accumulation goes up by, because that amount varies with the characteristic. If the characteristic is between 1 and 9 (base Accumulation of 1), it goes up by 1. If the characteristic is between 10 and 12 (base of 2), it goes up by 2. If it between 13 and 15 (base of 3) it goes up by 3, and at 16+ (base of 4) it goes by 4.

As I said, ''multiple'' is always ''a multiple of'' the base stat. It's the same with Magic Accumulation, when the Characteristic becomes high enough to raise the base accumulation, all of the multiples follow the same trend. It is the second method for a Wizard/Technician to raise their Accumulations. Otherwise, what would be the point of the word ''multiple''?

Pg 32, my bad. 33 in the PDF

Ki Accumulation: Investing this number of DPs, the player adds one point to the Ki Accumulation of a characteristic.

Hmm. Strikes me as odd considering the language ( ''multiple''), but it's clear enough. Fair enough, it seems I was wrong, though I would like confirmation from the other versions of the book (other languages) if anyone would care to supply us with the info.

I guess the problem stems from the fact that the wording of the whole thing is so close to Magic Accumulation.

DarknessEternal said:

Except on the class sheets it doesn't say how much ki acumulation cost it says how much ki acumulation multiple cost.

Of course since base ki accumulation for a stat is pretty much going to be 1unless you have a 10 in your stat. it doesn't really matter, most of the time. However, if you do have a 10 in say dex, and base most of you ki techniques on your dex, it would be really great if you ki acumulation multiple was a multiple of the base.

One thing is for sure. I was worried that I was just and idiot for not knowing what was going on with ki acumulation. But it is clear from this conversation that it is legitamately confusing.