I have some questions concerning moribund and saving, I hope you can solve:

1. If I defend with 2 chars against a deadly one and i lose, can i choose the same char for claim first and for deadly after or couldn't I because is already moribund?
2. If in the example above I choose different chars, does deadly chosen stay moribund until the step 6 of challenge resolution as well as the claim chosen?
3. If i win a military challenge with Syrio as the defender and my opponent have deadly, can I save Syrio from moribund state bringing him back to the shadows?
4. I read that venomous blade couldn't be back to the shadows if is chosen to satisfy military claim the char is wearing it, don't it work like the previous example? Does the same happen if is chosen to die with deadly?
5. If I choose a horseback hunters "After you lose a M challenge, return Horseback Hunters to your hand" to satisfy claim, can I save him in the passives step bringing him back to hand? What if he's chosen with deadly?

Thank you in advance!

zarius said:

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zarius said:

Ok, so I think I misunderstood "Moribund" term and mixed with "Terminal Effect" term in some situations.

As the last question and trying to show if I did undestand it:

After the step 2 "save/cancel" of a military challenge resolution the card chosen to satisfy claim becomes moribund:dead pile. This is not considered a terminal effect so it cannot get out of moribund state unless a replacement effect (for example like Drowned Disciple's) does it. Am I right in the whole sentence?

zarius said:

You mean in step 3 of the second event: Challenge result is implemented, right?

zarius said:

No card can get out of moribund state.

Example: Your opponent wants to kill your character with CS Robb:

step 1 - Response is initiated. (that is Robb's ability).

step 2 - save/cancel - if you now save your character or cancel Robb's ability, your character does not die - which means it does not become moribund (do not leave play, right?)

step 3 - If you don't save/cancel, then your character dies now - which means it has just became moribund (leaves play)

Now imagine situation with Flame kissed (terminal effect). It's exactly the same with one exception: you are forbidden to save that character unless you save character and remove terminal effect at the same time (e.g. Risen from the sea). In both cases your character becomes moribund (unless saved) in step 3 and you cannot change that - it's too late.

Now Flame Kissed example with Viserys:

- Flame Kissed constant effect affects Viserys

- if you now save your character, your character does not die - however you need to get rid of terminal effect and Viserys can do that by leaving play after save - which means he was not killed, he was voluntarily taken to hand. When he is returned to hand, he becomes moribund. That's why you removed terminal effect - Viserys is already 'moribund:return to hand', so he cannot be affected by Flame Kissed (since leaving play again is forbidden, right?)

Generally, when a card is killed, discarded, returned to shadows, hand or deck (which means you didn't save a card) - that card is leaving play - which means it becomes moribund and you cannot change that. You can only change destination (e.g. bottom of deck instead dead pile). So your Drowned Disciple is killed, but he lets you change 'moribund:dead pile' for 'moribund:bottom of deck'.

Hope it helps.

Sure it helped!!!

I have it very clear now, thank you very much!!

Rogue30 said:

Rogue30 said:

“4. I read that venomous blade couldn't be back to the shadows if is chosen to satisfy military claim the char is wearing it, don't it work like the previous example? Does the same happen if is chosen to die with deadly?

Yep, see above.”

Although Venomous Blade's response is after "Deadly", but since the character is still in play but with Moribund status, Venomous Blade will still be able to Response to go back to Shadow area in step 6.

Uncle Joker said:

VB is also moribund in above scenario (attached character is leaving play, so his attachments are discarded) and cannot leave play again.