Order Ranged Donovan... because no one else will?

By guitalex2008, in UFS Deck Building

Honestly. No one likes ranged attacks, and there's plenty of nice ones. For example, Jedah and Rock support is nice. And Order has control so it's nice to have something to back it up.

Characters (1):

1 6/6 ***Donovan*** +0M (7/20)

Asset (1):

1 3/5 Assassination Arts +2H - Unique

Actions (0):

None

Attacks (16):

4 4/3 3M4 Moon Glow +1L - Ranged

4 4/3 3M3 Dio-Cega +3M - Ranged

4 4/3 3L4 Double Cyclone Punch +2L - Ranged

4 4/3 3H4 High Plasma Beam +1H - Ranged

Foundations (42):

2 0/4 Dancing Battle Kabuki +1L - 0/4 Action - Breaker:2

4 1/5 Aquakinesis +3H

4 1/5 Forethought +1M

4 1/5 Personal Style +2M - 3/5 Action

4 1/6 Makai High Noble +1H

4 2/4 Amy's Assistance +1M

4 2/5 Blood Runs True +2H

4 2/5 Psycho Style - 4/5 Action

4 2/6 Son of a Tycoon +2M

4 3/4 Chinese Boxing +3M

4 3/5 Experienced Combatant +1M

Total: 60 cards

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Basically an experiment on two things:

1) When you really just want to draw, how much CAN Order draw (lol)?

2) Can a deck based on only ranged attacks work?

Moon Glow combined with all the ridicuous card draw (Aquakinesis, The Bigger They Are, etc.) means you can selectively discard and draw, which is nice. Dio-Cega adds its own damage to the next ranged attack, given that it deals damage. Double Cyclone Punch is a smaller, off-center version with higher printed damage, that only passes +2 damage to the next ranged attack. Neo Raging Storm will come at 8 difficulty, but at 10 base damage and with all the card draw (and the relatively low attack difficulties), the restriction on it seems low. Not only that but being an Order attack, Personal Style will give it +3 damage for committing one foundation, since all attacks in the deck have blocks (plus the Powerful:2 if needed). EC, CB, BRT, 4T are there for control. AA is a nice asset to have to stop attacks that border on the ridiculous amounts of damage.

edit: Removed NRS for HPB, 2 Ass Arts and 2 DBK for MHN, TBTA for PS. Lots of acronyms.

It's a great idea to say the least. I'd suggest adding Familial Loyalty though, not only for card draw but also so the deck has a slight amount of discard to it.

Oddly enough, I did have Familial Loyalty in there but decided to take it out for Son of a Tycoon. I suppose the one less check makes up for the fact that it's one-sided card draw and possibly discard.

ranged only... a pity shin shuryuken cain't fit.

LOL, well I suppose instead of Neo Deadly Rage. Sadly, its control and lack of a block are kind of a letdown in comparison (although sometimes I wonder why they give stuff like Neo Raging Storm and Supreme Rising Rage Flash or the worst offender, Earth Divide, BLOCK MODS). Well, while I'll have to admit most of my decks border on the novelty, I think this deck could work. For some reason, it seems consistent enough (other than the restriction on NRS, but the draw power hopes to offset that).

maybe you just don't own it but lord of the makai would be good in this deck.

Not really. THe only card that can use the momentum is Neo Raging Storm, and, really, it's less about that than the other attacks. In actuality, High Plasma Beam is a far more reliable kill condition for this deck, as it makes use of the committed foundations for Personal Style, is a lower cost, is off-center, and is also ranged. Additionally, it has no requirements insofar as cards being in the card pool (NRS).

A turn of Double Reppuken -> Double Reppuken -> Dio-Cega [hack block] -> HPFweem = dead opponent, particularly if you're using Personal Style on each attack. At that time, it adds up to 39 damage, and that's assuming you pass every check with exactly what you need or more, and that the opponent has an equal handsize. Given that you're going to be committing at least 1 foundation to pass the check for Fweem, that's an extra damage, and then if you hack any of the other blocks or use something like An Efficient Way to Slay People, Realm of Midnight, passing the check for Battle Ibuki, etc.

To that end, Guita - totally use Fweem. Massively efficient attack is massively efficient.

Ed: Also, consider replacing The Bigger They Are (D is rather tall) and Son of a Tycoon with Program Malfunction, Psycho Style, and/or Makai High Noble. Better checks, more utility, etc.

MegaGeese said:

Not really. THe only card that can use the momentum is Neo Raging Storm, and, really, it's less about that than the other attacks. In actuality, High Plasma Beam is a far more reliable kill condition for this deck, as it makes use of the committed foundations for Personal Style, is a lower cost, is off-center, and is also ranged. Additionally, it has no requirements insofar as cards being in the card pool (NRS).

A turn of Double Reppuken -> Double Reppuken -> Dio-Cega [hack block] -> HPFweem = dead opponent, particularly if you're using Personal Style on each attack. At that time, it adds up to 39 damage, and that's assuming you pass every check with exactly what you need or more, and that the opponent has an equal handsize. Given that you're going to be committing at least 1 foundation to pass the check for Fweem, that's an extra damage, and then if you hack any of the other blocks or use something like An Efficient Way to Slay People, Realm of Midnight, passing the check for Battle Ibuki, etc.

So should I replace Moon Glow with High Plasma Beam? Makes sense stat-wise, and for the possibility of an alternate kill card. Or are you suggesting Neo Raging Storm should be simply removed (which should make the deck a gajillion times more possible for me to build lol)?

To be honest, I'd only want to replace TBTA. As for what with, I'd say Psycho Style more than anything else. Program Malfunction, while incredibly sexy, would be an additional 3-diff foundation. Not a fan of having 3 cards in my hand be 3 diff on turn 1.

Then there's probably a discussion due about whether to Program Malfunction over Chinese Boxing... that'd be worth talking about. Overall EC with CB/PM is enough foundation control for my tastes, plus they all have 3 diff (which is why I'm leaning more toward replacing TBTA with Psycho Style for more help on the subject).

You should DEFINITELY go the Fweem route instead of Neo Raging Storm. Incidentally, attempting to play a NRS makes a HPB more effective by way of the foundations you'd be committing to pass it xD

Replace TBTA with whatever you like, really. I just like Program Malfunction myself, since it's got Order and Water (and EARTH!) and an amusing picture. Chinese Boxing is probably somewhat more effective, being an enhance and all. With that said, Psycho Style is proabbly better, since it allows you to tap down multiple offenders at once, often letting you set up that killer Fweem.

If you can get them, Sonic Boom EXTRA is a ridiculous Ranged attack that would combo very very well with Dio-Cega and give you an outlet for your momentum.

I tried to do something similar with Raphael and Dio-Cega because I think it's a very underrated card. Although mine was built off Air rather than Order. I think you've probably gpot the better idea with Order though.

I'd say that because you're playing Donovan that Neo Raging Storm possibly isn't the best idea. I find that because you're clearing cards out of your card pool to get the most out of Donovan, that perhaps Raging Storm won't be able to sit on the card pool well enough, unless you play 2 attacks, then an action to clear them, then another 2 attacks, then Raging Storm. so I agree with the others to say to go with the Beam route. Othewrwise, awesome deck idea, love the ranged theme ;)

If you ever have a problem playing attacks then you might want to try realm of midnight. Also do you have a problem with olcadans, cause I see no makia high noble.

Also personal style, psycho style, and high plasma beam are a pretty solid way of killing ppl.

I think the deck can be fixed in many ways, and I appreciate all suggestions! Sadly, I can't EDIT (grr), but keep them coming.

OK, so out goes NRS and in goes HPB; better damage output, lower diff, also ranged! Out also goes TBTA, in goes Psycho Style... Donovan is tall, Psycho Style is control and adds to HPB.

Now, Makai High Noble could fit in this deck. Again it's a matter of what to take out. I do want to leave in SPECIFICALLY:

Dancing Battle Kabuki, Aquakinesis, Son of a Tycoon, Amy's Assistance

This is due to all three being draw cards for all three different ability types: form, response and enhancement. I'm trying to keep the drawing (outside of Donovan himself if necessary) consistent throughout. While it's true that BRT draws, I want that only for its control (well, duh, right?) and will most likely never use it for drawing, except for hacking a Moon Glow block so I can draw with Donovan, then discard/draw resolving Moon Glow E. Amy's is just... Amy's. It's more solid than some people give it credit for.

Things that I'd LIKE to keep:

BRT, Forethought, EC, CB

These make up for the control aspect of the deck. What good is an Order deck without at least a wee bit of control? Possible switches? CB -> Program Malfunction, EC -> Program Malfunction (although this is not preferrable because EC can also hit assets). Possible remove? Perhaps 1 of each of the 3 diff foundations (EC, CB) but it's a desperate case.

Things I could possibly do without, or could sideboard:

Assassination Arts, ... ... ... ...

Well. I suppose that 3 Assassination Arts could be replaced with 3 Makai High Nobles. After all, with all the draw power it should be easy to find a copy, and with Amy's there I keep some of the damage reduction.

i think someone said this already but... you need sonic boom extra.

I would recommend taking out 2 Ass. Arts, as it's Unique (and you're trying to kill them long before you'll need it) as well as 2 Battle Ibuki (massive Olcadan bait, and a First F at that). That gives you room for the 3 Psycho Styles (4 is a bit overkill), leaving you 4 spots to add in MHN when you take out TBTA.

Also, for the edit function - click "report to moderator", then on the new screen, replace the word "reportar" in the URL with "editar", and you're good to go.

Attempting to edit...

edit: Awesome.

I like your idea for this deck...although i would try using attacks to deal damage not actions lol (your attacks are all listed under actions)

lol Wow, I hadn't noticed. I think I wanted to list Actions, didn't find any that would benefit and forgot to change that. Whoops.

edit: Changing!

guitalex2008 said:

lol Wow, I hadn't noticed. I think I wanted to list Actions, didn't find any that would benefit and forgot to change that. Whoops.

edit: Changing!

you are able to edit your posts?

Yep, all you have to do is click on the "Report to the moderator" link thing, then on the next screen, instead of reporting, change the URL in the address bar from "reportar.asp....etc." to "editar.asp.......etc.".

Example: There is a Sophitia deck you (trane) posted a bit back. This is the link to report it to the moderator.

http://new.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_reportar.asp?efid=27&efcid=5&efidt=39091&efidm=39091

If you change "reportar" to "editar" (essentially change the word report to edit), then you get this

http://new.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_editar.asp?efid=27&efcid=5&efidt=39091&efidm=39091

Which, if YOU click on it, would give you access to edit your post. If I click on it, nothing happens.

yeah and i also just realized that if you do edit your posts they get bumped up to the top of the page as well

guitalex2008 said:

Yep, all you have to do is click on the "Report to the moderator" link thing, then on the next screen, instead of reporting, change the URL in the address bar from "reportar.asp....etc." to "editar.asp.......etc.".

Example: There is a Sophitia deck you (trane) posted a bit back. This is the link to report it to the moderator.

http://new.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_reportar.asp?efid=27&efcid=5&efidt=39091&efidm=39091

If you change "reportar" to "editar" (essentially change the word report to edit), then you get this

http://new.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_editar.asp?efid=27&efcid=5&efidt=39091&efidm=39091

Which, if YOU click on it, would give you access to edit your post. If I click on it, nothing happens.

thanks.

From earlier in the topic:
MegaGeese said:

Also, for the edit function - click "report to moderator", then on the new screen, replace the word "reportar" in the URL with "editar", and you're good to go.



Due to my short attention span, I built something else and forgot about it lol

I'll let you know at some point.

guitalex2008 said:

Due to my short attention span, I built something else and forgot about it lol

I'll let you know at some point.

Ya, I have a short attention span when it comes to deck building and playtesting as well. I like what you've done with Donovan, as I could never figure out how I would build a deck with him, but yours has given me some good ideas.