Wintertime Marauders

By Rozy, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Can Wintertime Marauders discard a dupe from a char for their response?

Rozy said:

Can Wintertime Marauders discard a dupe from a char for their response?

Yep.

Rogue30 said:

Rozy said:

Can Wintertime Marauders discard a dupe from a char for their response?

Yep.

Thanks, btw does it work on characters that are immune to char. abilities. I guess so, since it is targeting the dupe rather that the character. But I just want to be sure.

Rozy said:

I guess so, since it is targeting the dupe rather that the character.

Correct. Immunity does not protect peripheral entities.

Rogue30 said:

Rozy said:

I guess so, since it is targeting the dupe rather that the character.

Correct. Immunity does not protect peripheral entities.

It is interesting.

I didn't know that he can discard that duplicate from an immune character ability guy....

Thanks.

Rogue30 said:

Rozy said:

I guess so, since it is targeting the dupe rather that the character.

Correct. Immunity does not protect peripheral entities.

Can Bastard Daught bring a duplicate of Unique Sand Snake character into play?

Uncle Joker said:

Can Bastard Daught bring a duplicate of Unique Sand Snake character into play?

Yes. The moment Sand snake character comes into play it attaches as duplicate if you already control that character.

Rogue30 said:

Uncle Joker said:

Can Bastard Daught bring a duplicate of Unique Sand Snake character into play?

Yes. The moment Sand snake character comes into play it attaches as duplicate if you already control that character.

I thought if you control a unique character in play, all your other character card with the same name should be the duplicate card, and with no crest / no trait / no text box etc.... So I thought it should not be a Sand Snake character anymore if you have an Unique same name in Play.

What do you think?

Uncle Joker said:

I thought if you control a unique character in play, all your other character card with the same name should be the duplicate card, and with no crest / no trait / no text box etc.... So I thought it should not be a Sand Snake character anymore if you have an Unique same name in Play.

As I understand the rules, the word "duplicate" is used generally for "card with the same title". "Duplicates have no text, titles, traits, or crests" relates only to attached duplicates (and maybe also to the moment when they come into play).

Uncle Joker said:

I thought if you control a unique character in play, all your other character card with the same name should be the duplicate card, and with no crest / no trait / no text box etc.... So I thought it should not be a Sand Snake character anymore if you have an Unique same name in Play.

What do you think?

enter play

ktom said:

Uncle Joker said:

I thought if you control a unique character in play, all your other character card with the same name should be the duplicate card, and with no crest / no trait / no text box etc.... So I thought it should not be a Sand Snake character anymore if you have an Unique same name in Play.

What do you think?

The other copies of the unique character do not become duplicates until they are in play. They are not considered duplicates (and thus still have their crests, traits, titles, text, etc.) while they are in your hand, discard pile, or otherwise not in play. So because Bastard Daughter puts the card into play from your hand or discard pile - where the card is still a Sand Snake and a character - it applies. The card enter play as a duplicate, but the identity as and rules for "duplicate" do not apply to cards that are not in play.

One more relative question, does non-unique card has copies?

Uncle Joker said:

One more relative question, does non-unique card has copies?

ktom said:

Uncle Joker said:

One more relative question, does non-unique card has copies?

Yes. Any cards with the same name (regardless of version and regardless of whether it is unique or not) are considered copies of each other. But you treat copies of non-uniques differently from copies of uniques - according to the rules for unique cards.

( 2 ) Euron's Mongrel

STR 2 (M) G Raider. Ally. Bastard. Limited Response: After a card is discarded from a player's deck, kneel Euron's Mongrel or kneel a Warship location to choose and discard 1 copy of that card from play. (Limit 1 limited response per round.)

So you mean Euron's Mongrel's ability is including the non-unique cards' copy?

Uncle Joker said:

( 2 ) Euron's Mongrel

STR 2 (M) G Raider. Ally. Bastard. Limited Response: After a card is discarded from a player's deck, kneel Euron's Mongrel or kneel a Warship location to choose and discard 1 copy of that card from play. (Limit 1 limited response per round.)

So you mean Euron's Mongrel's ability is including the non-unique cards' copy?

ktom said:

Uncle Joker said:

( 2 ) Euron's Mongrel

STR 2 (M) G Raider. Ally. Bastard. Limited Response: After a card is discarded from a player's deck, kneel Euron's Mongrel or kneel a Warship location to choose and discard 1 copy of that card from play. (Limit 1 limited response per round.)

So you mean Euron's Mongrel's ability is including the non-unique cards' copy?

Yes. "Copy" refers to "same title," unique or not.

Thank you Ktom