About Eddard Stark (king's landing)

By Uncle Joker, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

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Eddard Stark (4) (3)

[stark Character]

Lord.

Renown.

If you have a House card, reduce the gold penalty to play Eddard Stark by 1.

Response: Cancel a triggered effect that chooses a character as the only target. Then, draw a card. (Limit once per phase.)




Robb Stark (4) (3)

[stark Character]

Lord. King.

Renown.

Any Phase: Name a Trait. Until the end of the phase, each character you control that has that Trait gets +1 STR (+2 STR instead if it is Winter). Limit once per round.





Robert Baratheon (4) (3)

[baratheon Character]

Lord. King.

Renown.

Any Phase: Stand Robert Baratheon. Use this ability only if there are no cards in Shadows.


Can Eddard use his ability when Robb say the character with "king" trait gets +1 str?

Can Eddard use his ability when Robert stand himself?


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No. Eddard says that he can only use his ability when a Noble character is chosen as the only target of an effect. The rules are pretty specific (as is Eddard's own ability) that before something is considered a "target" of an effect, the word "choose" must be used in the effect. Only effects that say "choose a character" (and the chosen character has the Noble crest) can be canceled by Eddard.

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ktom said:

No. Eddard says that he can only use his ability when a Noble character is chosen as the only target of an effect. The rules are pretty specific (as is Eddard's own ability) that before something is considered a "target" of an effect, the word "choose" must be used in the effect. Only effects that say "choose a character" (and the chosen character has the Noble crest) can be canceled by Eddard.

Thank you Ktom.

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ktom said:

No. Eddard says that he can only use his ability when a Noble character is chosen as the only target of an effect. The rules are pretty specific (as is Eddard's own ability) that before something is considered a "target" of an effect, the word "choose" must be used in the effect. Only effects that say "choose a character" (and the chosen character has the Noble crest) can be canceled by Eddard.

So does this mean Eddard can't cancel a noble character saving himself with its duplicate?

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mischraum.de said:

So does this mean Eddard can't cancel a noble character saving himself with its duplicate?
choose
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The "choose" and "target" machanics are a little confusing in this game.

You'd think that for example Risen from the sea chooses a character as a target, but apparently not.

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Believeinthis said:

The "choose" and "target" machanics are a little confusing in this game.

If the word "choose" appears, there's a target. Otherwise, there's no target. Easy peasy. Confusing? Don't think so.

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eloooooooi said:

Believeinthis said:

The "choose" and "target" machanics are a little confusing in this game.

If the word "choose" appears, there's a target. Otherwise, there's no target. Easy peasy. Confusing? Don't think so.

Any other confusion in the mechanic is based on an assumption that because A acts on B (and perhaps only B), B must be a "target" of A - which isn't even necessarily true from a language point of view.