Followers and spells that can fight in your place

By frogemoth, in Talisman Rules Questions

I was wondering how you guys play these cards. In our games we play it that if used against another character and the other character wins your follower/spell is killed but the opponent can still take his normal reward. However doing so make these cards rather useless unless you are a Pixie ;)

I was about to suggest a rule change in our games so that when these cards are played and the opponent wins he can't take a reward. I believe this would make these cards more useful if played like that.

frogemoth said:

I was wondering how you guys play these cards. In our games we play it that if used against another character and the other character wins your follower/spell is killed but the opponent can still take his normal reward. However doing so make these cards rather useless unless you are a Pixie ;)

I was about to suggest a rule change in our games so that when these cards are played and the opponent wins he can't take a reward. I believe this would make these cards more useful if played like that.

I'm not sure if I can cover every possible case, but just considering spells as Summon Bear, Summon Serpent, Summon Phoenix and Summon Stormcrow, I see that the card text says "If *** wins, the creature is killed or the opposing character must lose 1 life. It the *** loses, your turn immediately ends".

The problem you raise is that there's no indication for what to do if you're attacked by another Character and use one of these Spells (or Faithful Hound/Champion Followers). I think that the notion "turn immediately ends" will be still applicable, otherwise such cards will have no effect if played against an attacking Character. In other words you could see it just as if the opposing Character is fighting the summoned creature or the Follower only. If he wins, there's no reward to take (it's like having fought against a Bandit in the Forest).

I vote for the "no reward" opinion, since the main use for these cards is sacrifice, certainly not attack.