Hi,

I've been building several decks in the past few months, picking here and there from some great concepts and then making my own improvements.

Then, I normally undergo severe testing. I usually test them against Hastur /agency deck that got second place last Gen Con (Paul Bittner), which I consider a bit more solid and plain than Tom Capors, where Toms is a bit more explosive but tricky.

I still have to find a non agency /Hastur deck that can decently stand and compete with Paul's. I normally don't even get to the story phase. Everything that I play get constantly removed or twarted.

So I went back to Gen Con 2009 winning deck list and, there again, Hastur and Agency with dogs and Eibon. So I wonder... what if next year Agency and Hastur win again ? Is this game broken ?

I know some Cards are under the spotlight right now and awaiting emendment, such as birds and endlesss interrogation.

But how about the tonn of cheap removal that agency has at disposal ? Shotgun, Shotgun blast, Short fuse, dynamite, small price to pay, prize pistols all costing very little and stopping at birth any opposition. Is destruction the only way to play this game ?

Is Hastur control, out of control ?

Do other factions have any chance to survive ? Why should I pay 4, or 2 at least, to play a mummy to wipe off everything including my poorly survived investigators, knowing that with all the token placed in first 2 rounds Eibon will be back in no time with all the tiny shooters ? Why it does take only a small price to pay or a victoria glasser and a shotgun blast to take down a mummy, anyway ?

Why miskatonic doesn't have any wound bouncer ?

Why wounding is so damm easy in this game ? Is it the only fun ?

Do I have to wait for an equally horrible lock-deck to see the end of Agency shot-out ?

Sorry for my rant out of frustration. : )

take care

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As a community, how long do we put up with this before we ligistlate our own errata?

Is anything "official" when there no one official hears the proverbial tree fall in the forest.

Pssst... Rumor is: the powers that be flee in horror from major tournaments because they know the rules less than those who buy and play the game.

This is the sound of one hand clapping...

...the clapping has stopped.

Let the Dogs be... without avians, stairs, and cheap discard they are strong companions but do not soil the rosewater.

When Silver Twilight comes will that be the time to set the stars right or will the powers that be continue to ignore that which they have ignored?

...scratching at the door... amphibious apparitions appear in the window... it grows cold... so cold...

Yes, clearly Magah Birds and 70 steps are overpowered, in addition Endless Interrogation and Descendent of Eibon. That's why I asked people about a soft ban before GenCon. Since FFG doesn't want to do something, perhaps we as a community can agree to our own guidelines.

The trouble is that only a fraction of the playerbase visits the forums. This is true of any game. So any kind of soft ban or restriction you wanted to place on these cards would need to be published on the main site.

TheProfessor said:

I am 100% with you. While I would prefer errata to some of the cards* the reality is FFG has not done anything to remedy the situation for MUCH too long. Rather than attempt the tricky negotiations of instituting an errata by committee just banning the entire lot of cards would be cleaner as a temporary solution for the player base to attempt. Then the player base could mass Email everyone at FFG involved in the LCG to put them on notice that we are taking some control of a situation they have clearly neglected. I wonder if receiving a few dozen mutinous Emails would wake them up?!?!

Put me down as in on this idea...

*Birds to in play from hand so only 2 birds not 3, Steps to anyone may pay 2 to destroy, Endless 1 cost or OPT, Eibon... just ban.

TheProfessor said:

Now, honestly, who cares?

I feel it's far better if FFG doesn't ban any cards and simply lets tournament organizers decide which cards aren't allowed in their tournaments. It's a much more flexible approach, quicker to implement and puts the power where it belongs. I don't need an official statement to know which cards I don't want to see in a tournament.

At Stahleck there was a kind of silent agreement that no one would use the Endless Interrogation (let's call it a soft ban), in Liege the tournament organizers made the cards that would not be allowed known beforehand.

I think that's the way to go.

@Msommi :

well, considering Agency only wounds ... I don't have problems with them.

My synd/cthulhu Destroy/exhaust gives me enough time to have invulnérability and toughness coming, so I don't really complain.

The weenie Shub can also offer a wide variety of targets, which don't allow Agency to shoot everytime everywhere !!!

The only real problem with Agency is that Miskatonic don't have a big choice's panel, but the new packs did gave possibilities.

I do agree with everyone concerning Endless+Birds+Steps, but, as I already said on a previous post, I decide to softban them from the Cenacle's events.

I couldn't agree more jhaelen!

This is the only practical solution. In the past rants and demanding e-mails

having only been ignored by those at the very top in the FFG dictatorship.

I stopped banging my head against that wall some time ago.

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Now, honestly, who cares?

I feel it's far better if FFG doesn't ban any cards and simply lets tournament organizers decide which cards aren't allowed in their tournaments. It's a much more flexible approach, quicker to implement and puts the power where it belongs. I don't need an official statement to know which cards I don't want to see in a tournament.

At Stahleck there was a kind of silent agreement that no one would use the Endless Interrogation (let's call it a soft ban), in Liege the tournament organizers made the cards that would not be allowed known beforehand.

I think that's the way to go.

jhaelen said:

I like this approach too, jhaelen. Just let the Tournament organizer set the rules. But I'm curious to see what will be the decision for the next world championship.

Right now I'm trying to build a discard deck that involves also "70 steps" (and, of course, "700 steps" and even "7000 tall steps" if ever it will come out ). I'm not playing any birds and not trying to get anything under it.

In itself, it is not that terrible card. It helps just slowing down things. It's the deadly combination with birds that put at risk this card of being banned. But if I had a choice I would rather ban the birds which are majorly overpowered.

Going back to wounding, I certainly agree that agency don't do much more than wounding and destroying. Still it is a "one-stop" solution to many pains.

Because of this large and cheap wounding capability, certain factions are simply unplayable. I haven't seen a Bubakis or an Anthropology Advisor survive 2 rounds in over a year. And even a Chtulhu faction doesn't have a great time in the first few rounds against agency. Then, if it survives, it can set in and don't leave ever again.

Cards like a small price to pay to me are overpowered as it works as targeted wounding, unwanted attachment removal and text cancellation. Often 2 of those are achieved at the same time. A bit too much for a 1 costing card don't you think ?