Hi all!

Just bought Runebound a short time ago with some of the expansionst and we like it very much.

However, I have problem with the Undefeated Challenges.. Hope someone can help me clearing this.

We understand that if you are running away or be defeated by a challenge you get the counter on the map and the challenge card into the right pot in the top of the board. This is ok.

But what happens when I move to the same place again?

1.I mean can I fight the challenge only if there is an Undefeated Challenges there and an adventure jewel too?

And when I defeat the challenge the adventure jewel dissapears too?

Or when I choose to draw a different challenge card from the deck, the undefeated challenge go to the bottom of the deck too?

2. Or I no need to be a jewel in that field? Only an Undefeated Challenge counter?

And when I defeat the prev. undefeated challenge, I get a separate adventure jewel and the original remains in the field?

We played the 2, however in that case when you are hunting for dragons.. You can escape. Then escape again.. The you just need to move to the field and kill all three dragon lord one by one(of course if you are strong enough) then you no need to wandering on the field and hunt for red jewels as you need only one to kill three dragon lord :S

I don't like this version so much so assume to play as written in case 1. But nothing like that is written in the rulebook.. How you play it?

Or is this disturbe me only?

Thanks in advance!

If there is undefeated Challenge in the spot, you MUST fight it, you will not draw card from any pile. After defeating that previously undefeated Challenge, you get the jewel normally. Think it that in case somebody escapes a challenge, it stays in the spot waiting for other victims (so that specific Challenge card goes to the undefeated challenge track, and marker is put in that spot (jewel stays in it too) to mark the space. When somebody arrives to same spot again, it attacks.

Wow!

Just check the english rules and it says in that way as you told too! So probably only our translation was bad.. :S

Anyway, thanks a lot!!!

Actually based on what I'm reading in the rules, you are not required to face the undefeated challenge in that space.

The rules state:

"Undefeated Challenge Counters
If you end your movement in a space with an undefeated challenge
counter (see pages 6–7), look at the corresponding space
on the undefeated challenge track to see the Challenge in the
space. If you choose to attempt the Challenge, do not draw an
adventure card. Instead, resolve the card on the undefeated challenge
track."

From the words "If you choose to attempt the challenge, do not draw an adventure card." , Landing on an undefeated challenge lets you decide wether to face the Undefeated challenge. If you decide to face it, you do not draw a card. Most likely the opposite is true. That if you decide not to face it, you may choose to draw a card.

However there is nothing stating what happens in the case where the player fails that challenge. Basicly wether the original undefeated challenge goes away or do both undefeated challenges remain...

Now there is a small blurb in the FAQ regarding undefeated challenges.

The FAQ States:

"If an undefeated challenge counter is on the same space as an adventure counter,and the undefeated Challenge is a different color than the adventure counter, you must attempt the undefeated challenge counter first."

This does not necessarily apply to the scenario in question, since in this scenario there is an adventure counter of a different color then the undefeated challenge. I'm not sure exactly how this would actually happen during the game, but most of the time the colors would be the same between the adventure token and the undefeated challenge.

Xiff said:

I think you misinterpret the words "If you choose to attempt the challenge, do not draw an adventure card" .

Consider this first: when you land on an Adventure Jewel, you needn't face the Challenge (rulebook pg.4 step 3: Adventure). If you choose to attempt it you draw a card of the matching colour. When you have an Undefeated Challenge on that Jewel, you proceed in the same way: if you choose to attempt it you don't draw a card but face the Undefeated Challenge. Otherwise, you choose not to attempt the Challenge, thus ending your turn with Experience Step.

Undefeated Challenge Track is there to record previously undefeated enemies that stay on the board, until they are defeated by a Hero or the 7th Undefeated Challenge is revealed. At that point, you discard the First undefeated Challenge and replace it with the new one

Xiff said:

I don't know how this will actually happen too. Perhaps there are some expansions that mess up things and make you draw additional challenges before you face the challenge of the Adventure Jewel. I have all expansions but didn't play everything. If I find something I'll let you know.

Usually the jewel and the Challenge on the Undefeated Track share the same colour.

The_Warlock said:

However the adventure token is still left in the space while the Undefeated Challenge token is there. No where in the rules does it actually state that you ignore adventure tokens while an undefeated challenge token is there. Now if the rules stated that you place the adventure token with the undefeated challenge card,and place the undefeated challenge token in its place on the board that would be one thing.

I would argue that the FAQ statement quoted earlier could be read that if the adventure token and the undefeated challenge card are of the same color, you do not have to encounter the undefeated challenge first. In which case you can choose the order of which they happen. In which case you would be able to resolve both the undefeated challenge and the adventure token seperatel. One question that could come up is if you defeat the undefeated challenge, and take the adventure token, do you still resolve the adventure token or since its gone now, do you just move to the step.

I would just like to see some sorta official clarification regarding these scenarios.

Xiff said:

It looks like you consider an Undefeated Challenge token as a separate thing from the Adventure Jewel on which it is placed. They aren't, they are the same thing. The Undefeated Challenge bounds that Adventure Jewel to a Challenge drawn on that board space and left undefeated. If you defeat an Undefeated Challenge, you're supposed to get some experience, aren't you? You'll take the Adventure Jewel on which you previously placed the Undefeated Challenge token. No double Challenges allowed, by the normal rules.

What I was quoting from the rules is the option to ignore a Challenge if you land on an Adventure Jewel. Landing on a Jewel doesn't mean you have to face the Challenge on it. You may also do nothing and pass to Experience step. I've pointed this out because this is what should be done, according to the Rules, when you choose not to attempt a Challenge (including Undefeated Challenges).

Xiff said:

The_Warlock said:

I made 1 variant for the Undefeated Challenges to appeal more the gameplay, after reading other topics about this game. You can try to play with this variant for the Undefeated Challenges.

• After resolving the knockout rules, the Challenge steals the adventure jewel and both goes to the Undefeated Challenges Track. The Undefeated Challenge Token moves towards to the city, using 2 movements dices.
• The adventure jewel space remains empty until a new event card is drawn and replenish them, if that space has a sunburst around the jewel.
• When trying to take an undefeated challenge, no escapes rules applies.
• If the Undeafead Challenge reachs to the city, it gains +1 heart and the city becames closed until one player kills the Undefeated Challenge.