Ok, here are the rules, lets say you had the power of an AGoT Designer....you get to pick one card in the LCG environment, and only one card, and choose to ban it completely. No errata, no changes, just complete, outright banning. What is that one card?
Lets play the ban game....
venomus blade
Venomous Blade
followed closely by...
Venomous Blade.
*Read OP. Scroll down.* lawl.
I don't think it should be banned per se, just errata to "...attach it to a character you control with printed 3 STR or higher " and/or "After you lose as challenge as a defender ..."
Without giving it much thought the list of potentials that comes to mind is GTM, VB, Fear, and Narrow Escape, which I'd shrink down to VB and Narrow Escape. Hmmm...
I originally was going to say Narrow Escape with VB coming in very close second (if I could choose a second), but really all we need is Paper Shield to stop crazy shenanigan events. So reprint Paper Shield!
My vote: Venomous Blade (but seriously, errata would be better than ban : / )
I'm glad you mentioned Narrow Escape. That is my choice.
When this card came out, I was super excited, as I felt we needed an anti-Valar card. After playing with it for a while, I've come to a completely different conclusion. We do not need an ANTI-Valar card. This card is much more versatile that I realized.
Venomous Blade.
Dobbler said:
I'm glad you mentioned Narrow Escape. That is my choice.
When this card came out, I was super excited, as I felt we needed an anti-Valar card. After playing with it for a while, I've come to a completely different conclusion. We do not need an ANTI-Valar card. This card is much more versatile that I realized.
Yeah, it's pretty upsetting how strong the card is; especially 2x. Val should have been on my list too, by the way. She would come in a very close second (or third) to VB. However, Narrow Escape is definitely the biggest bane in the game right now (even though I find VB to be a pretty big bane too). Even with Paper Shield, it may arguably deserve a ban; especially because it doesn't have limit per phase (CCG version was most balanced) "I play Narrow Escape...Cancel with Paper Shield...I play another Narrow Escape...GRRRR"
I don't really use control, so I have not suffered from the effects of Narrow Escape yet. That martell card that lets you see someones hand could be useful, that way you know if they will have it before you flip your valar.
Mathias Fricot said:
That martell card that lets you see someones hand could be useful, that way you know if they will have it before you flip your valar.
Useful if you want to see how you'll lose sooner rather than later
I don't think any cards should be band. If a disign of a card did not turn out as entended then errata it to make it work they way it should. I never have ben a fan of card bans and even less so in a LCG setting.
At the moment, I'm not certain that anything is in need of a ban.
I agree that nothing really needs to be banned.
How can someone say that a card needs to be banned without actually speaking to why the environment is worse off because it is there? Anything else is really just "A card I REALLY don't like is...".
Clearly I didn't state my rules well enough
Lets assume you are forced to ban one card. No choice, you have to choose one and ban it. And no errata, just straight banning.
And yes, I have an agenda with this thread. Basically I'm trying to get a straw poll on whether the online community feels a specific card needs to be banned. If someone wants to post a reason, thats fine, but not essential for me.
Dobbler said:
And yes, I have an agenda with this thread. Basically I'm trying to get a straw poll on whether the online community feels a specific card needs to be banned. If someone wants to post a reason, thats fine, but not essential for me.
And as I said, "ban it" as an emotional reaction is not the same as "this card needs to be banned." How does banning Narrow Escape make the environment better? Without that piece of information, you haven't established a case for why the card should be banned.
Jaqen....er wait......Compelled....uh......Pyro.....crap.
Naw really I'm with Ktom nothing needs to be banned, just give me a sideboard to deal with....NO I'M KIDDING I'M KIDDING!
ktom said:
Dobbler said:
And yes, I have an agenda with this thread. Basically I'm trying to get a straw poll on whether the online community feels a specific card needs to be banned. If someone wants to post a reason, thats fine, but not essential for me.
If you start with the assumption/requirement that something MUST be banned, you are not really finding out if the community feels a specific card NEEDS to be banned. You have to allow for the "nothing" option if you want your "poll" to be truly indicative of the community opinion on bans.
And as I said, "ban it" as an emotional reaction is not the same as "this card needs to be banned." How does banning Narrow Escape make the environment better? Without that piece of information, you haven't established a case for why the card should be banned.
People are already saying "nothing needs to be banned". They are making their opinion known. And many people that believe nothing needs to be banned will simply not post on this thread.
As for Narrow Escape, I'm not asking FFG to ban this card. However, if I had to choose one, it would be this one. I'm not trying to convince ANYONE that this card needs to be banned.
Like I said, this was meant as a straw poll. Stop trying to perform surgery on my question please.
Agreed, nothing needs to be banned. Everyone complains about Venomous Blade, but I am actually rather fond of it, as it is a good control for weenie decks. If you really want to errata VB, make it cost 1 to bring out of shadows.
blood of the first men, hands down
The Lannister House card
Other than that, nothing.
finitesquarewell said:
blood of the first men, hands down
Agendas didn't cross my mind, but yeah; it was certainly the biggest problem with 5-6x The North, and is still the biggest problem with 3x Wildling The North
crossroads...
Can I choose to vote against everyone else's banning of Venomous Blade?
If I have to ban something, it's going to be Narrow Escape. Honestly though, I'm in the nothing needs banning camp.
I think Aerys II needs a ban. His character is way out of control. brb, finding Jaime...
Narrow escape
Valar is too game defining to be messed up totally with a single card that makes the game similar to many other ccg games: all you can from your hand, the bigger the better. I play AGOT also to not face this situations.