Well here's a question:

(I should note by now if you are here... you've already seen plenty of spoilers).

Would there be a motley collection of cast-off dothraki, unsullied, dragons, mercs in the east without Dany?

She decided to continue on with her small dothraki collection after Drogo died, she could have very well gone to Vaes Dothrak and become a crone.

She hatched the dragons... it may have been luck, but nonetheless she is the one who has them, and is the only one able to use them (afaik).

She has the unsullied. We should see more of them.

She even as a babe is a cause of fear and hope in the families of westeros.

It's not so much her skill or personality, its her lineage and inborn talent that make her a threat to westeros. Without her there is no Targaryen. Hence she should be a character that impacts the board when played.

bloodycelt said:

that's reason enough for me!

~Unique Overpowered Daeny
Queen. Refugee.
3 Gold, 3 Strength
Intrigue & Power Icons
House Targaryen Only.
Renown
Noble Crest

For each round Daeny is in play she gains +2 STR. When Daeny comes into play, and at the beginning of the Challenge phase each round, you may choose one of the following traits (Army, Mercenary, Ally, Dothraki) and gain control of a character with that trait. When Daeny leaves play, all Ally, Mercenary, and Dothraki characters you control are placed in their owners’ discard piles.
Marshalling: Kneel Daeny to play 1 Dragon character from your hand without paying it’s gold cost.

But seriously, I like ehgji’s idea of Daeny giving bonuses to other characters… maybe something like
All Ally characters you control get +1 STR if you control a Dragon, Unsullied, Mercenary, or Dothraki character.
All Dragon characters you control get +1 STR if you control an Ally, Unsullied, Mercenary, or Dothraki character.
All Unsullied characters you control get +1 STR if you control a Dragon, Ally, Mercenary, or Dothraki character.
All Dothraki characters you control get +1 STR if you control a Dragon, Unsullied, Mercenary, or Ally character.
All Mercenary characters you control get +1 STR if you control a Dragon, Unsullied, Ally, or Dothraki character.
Something to reflect that as she gets more followers, her whole army gets stronger, but probably not quite as OP as what I just listed. And she really needs to have printed STR of at least 3 so she can’t be hit with VB.

ugh, sorry about the spacing on that last post... stupid outdated version of IE @ my job...

Skowza said:

play her in setup and by round 2 she is str 7? run two Power of Blood just to make sure she makes it through. and you are guaranteed to steal three characters in two rounds as well? lets not forget its not just stealing, its when she dies they die as well, they don't get returned to their owners in play.
kneel her to Balerion? yes, its like Robb Stark's ability. But thats only if he is the only king in play. and thats his only ability.

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Penfold said:

Like Dany?

Penfold said:

And then when she left the first three and it all went back to hell in a handbasket, didn't it?

I lold

Not like Daeny. Her belief in herself and in her plan is strong from the beginning. Viserys, Jorah, even her queensguard all at various points try to control or guide her to do what they want, what they think is in her (and usually their) best interest. She has none of it though. She becomes a queen in truth because of her own plans, her own council.

She left the first three because she did not wish to rule them. They went to pot because the people had no idea how to rule themselves without resorting to the same type of system they had chaffed under (look to Iran and Afghanistan for a good example of this). When she realized the same would happen in Meereen (remember she did not receive word of the councils she had established being over thrown, or returning to the ways of the slavers until well after she was gone) she decided to stay and rule. Better their lives, ensure a change in governance, and familiarize herself with what it takes to rule, not just conquer (something Robert never learned).

It is actually really obvious that GRRM is setting Daeny up to be the paragon of a noble ruler, she believes in Noblesse Oblige, one of the few with the power and claim to rule who does, but unlike the Ned and Robb, she also knows the ways of the world, that simply being of noble birth does not afford one honor nor a sense of duty. So she mistrusts, seeks council from those who disagree with her, and each other and tries to forge a consensus, but when no consensus can be reached she decrees. It should also be noted these are all things GRRM himself has mentioned in past panels at cons. I'm not just making this stuff up because I like Daeny, she is maybe 5th on my list of favorites (Tyrion, Oberyn, Jon, Doran, Daeny/Jaime).

Mathias Fricot said:

yea, hence the ~ & Overpowered.
Though it would be nice if Balerion were a little more playable. Does anyone actually use him?

Well consider this:

There is more of a frequency of Samwell Tarly in a Targaryen deck than Dany.

Now something else occured to me that would make her a great asset to all Targ decks:

3 G 3 STR IP Renown. Noble Crest. Lady. Queen. When a character's strength is reduced to 0 discard it from play (cannot be saved).

Response: After a king or queen is discarded from play, Daenery's Targaryen claims 1 power.

bloodycelt said:

This I like. I think the "cannot be saved" part will be tough to deal with against burn (obviously) but its not killing your cards, so you still have a chance to get those unique's back out if you can get rid of the queen. It paints a nice target on her back, which it should. I would almost be tempted to have her also be able to discard power from her to give a character -1 Str or something, that way she can be a burn machine all on her own. I've noticed a lot of the raider card's have good abilities, but they either discard OR have an ability that fires off when something is discarded, not both, and I wouldn't want that to happen here. Kindof like how the Blackfish is stand alone - he can go on military challenges so you draw cards, he has renown so he can gain power to attack without kneeling. This would be fun to play with.

I'm not sure though if I like the idea of Targ getting more reliable reusable burn. Her providing a blanket terminal effect is cool though. Leverages your Forever Burnings that much is for sure.

I would prefer if Dany was providing a group buff like LoW's Robb: you name a trait, where cards with said trait gains X benefit until the end of phase.
X can be something thematically Targaryen rather than a simple +1 STR, with a stronger buff in summer. Unoriginal, but it works.

bloodycelt said:

these two abilities are pretty awesome. they fit really well in with the Targ burn style...

but it isn't quite as thematically tied into the Dothraki and Dragons and Mercenaries as some other ideas. Doesn't mean i like it less though.

An ability like Robbs would be nice to see, especially in trait oriented decks like Dothraki. I would be tempted to make it something like:

When Daeny is participating in a challenge, stand Daeny and remove her from the challenge to X

And then have X some variable on the amount of power on her. It could be an ability like Feast of the Crows, or giving all participating characters you control a fixed bonus. That way you need to play around with her to keep her with enough power to do what you want when you want it, letting you have her do different things over the course of a match, while keeping her from growing exponentially in power or strength, or being an every-deck-every-situation bomb.