The Warrens RTL dungeon 8

By dragon76, in Descent: Journeys in the Dark

The leader(s) of the RTL level the Warrens are listed as Ebon and Onyx. Paired sorcerors who do not have undying but are linked via game effect that the more injured one is healed up to his counterpart's health at the beginning of the OL's turn.

My question is do they count as one leader or two for the killing of a level leader.

Seems a simple question at first as there are numerous levels with multiple named leaders who each count as an individual level leader, however:

- the card for this level has the heading of Leader rather than Leaders in the text. Every other card with multiple leaders that I looked at had the heading Leaders (not an exhaustive search, just a quick run through of about 10 cards or so to find one or two other examples)

-these two are matched, both must be reduced to zero hit points before either is killed and removed from the board. They cannot be removed from the board on separate turns, they must both die on the same turn.

We did treat it as two level leaders as there were two figures but I was wondering what other peoples thoughts on the matter were.

Possible FAQ for a correction or clarification?

Thanks

dragon76 said:

The leader(s) of the RTL level the Warrens are listed as Ebon and Onyx. Paired sorcerors who do not have undying but are linked via game effect that the more injured one is healed up to his counterpart's health at the beginning of the OL's turn.

My question is do they count as one leader or two for the killing of a level leader.

Seems a simple question at first as there are numerous levels with multiple named leaders who each count as an individual level leader, however:

- the card for this level has the heading of Leader rather than Leaders in the text. Every other card with multiple leaders that I looked at had the heading Leaders (not an exhaustive search, just a quick run through of about 10 cards or so to find one or two other examples)

-these two are matched, both must be reduced to zero hit points before either is killed and removed from the board. They cannot be removed from the board on separate turns, they must both die on the same turn.

We did treat it as two level leaders as there were two figures but I was wondering what other peoples thoughts on the matter were.

Possible FAQ for a correction or clarification?

Thanks

Two leaders.
Two names in the Leader section, two leaders.

The difference between Leader and Leaders in the section heading appears to be entirely due to whether the person writing that particular card was switched on enough to change the header. IIRC there are multiple 'mis-labeled' sections, contrary to your quick check results.

IMO this is definitely un-FAQ-worthy. It is very simple. If there is a named figure in the leader section, it is a leader. If there are more than one named figure (in the leader section, note for example that Grazius from the Gardens of Grazius level is not, IIRC, a Leader) then there are multiple leaders, regardless of what the section title says (title is just title, not rule).

Corbon said:

dragon76 said:

The leader(s) of the RTL level the Warrens are listed as Ebon and Onyx. Paired sorcerors who do not have undying but are linked via game effect that the more injured one is healed up to his counterpart's health at the beginning of the OL's turn.

My question is do they count as one leader or two for the killing of a level leader.

Seems a simple question at first as there are numerous levels with multiple named leaders who each count as an individual level leader, however:

- the card for this level has the heading of Leader rather than Leaders in the text. Every other card with multiple leaders that I looked at had the heading Leaders (not an exhaustive search, just a quick run through of about 10 cards or so to find one or two other examples)

-these two are matched, both must be reduced to zero hit points before either is killed and removed from the board. They cannot be removed from the board on separate turns, they must both die on the same turn.

We did treat it as two level leaders as there were two figures but I was wondering what other peoples thoughts on the matter were.

Possible FAQ for a correction or clarification?

Thanks

Two leaders.
Two names in the Leader section, two leaders.

The difference between Leader and Leaders in the section heading appears to be entirely due to whether the person writing that particular card was switched on enough to change the header. IIRC there are multiple 'mis-labeled' sections, contrary to your quick check results.

IMO this is definitely un-FAQ-worthy. It is very simple. If there is a named figure in the leader section, it is a leader. If there are more than one named figure (in the leader section, note for example that Grazius from the Gardens of Grazius level is not, IIRC, a Leader) then there are multiple leaders, regardless of what the section title says (title is just title, not rule).

As I said in my post, we had decided that each level leader counted as they were named in the appropriate sectoin of the card. However, the current FAQ on this particular issue could be easily reworded as per your quote above.

The FAQ currently says:

Miscellaneous
Q: If a level has multiple leaders, do the heroes get the
conquest and coin reward for killing each leader?
A: Yes.

Revised A: Any named figure under the heading Leader or Leaders is considered a level Leader and you receive conquest and coin reward for each one killed.

Does it need to be added? Perhaps not. Would it be beneficial when the questions come up for people when they first encounter these levels and have the question? Absolutely.

IMO the FAQ should deal with the little issues that come up just as much as it should deal with the larger issues. While this is admittedly a minor issue it does seem to crop up consistently in forum queries.

I second to include this in the FAQ.

Since it is not possible to kill one leader in the level, get the reward, then flee the dungeon, the current FAQ answer doesn´t seem to be applicable.

There are quite a few level-individual clarifications in the FAQ, one more will not hurt much (and this is not a question FFG staff would cost a lot of time to resolve).