Peacekeeper_b said:
Ah.
But they can be mind controlled. As they can fail a 5+ save. Often.
So again, nothng wrong with how they have shown up in the novels. Im sure they are quite bad ass in the novels where they are the stars.
Which is none (I could easily be wrong) and there in lies the problem, people want them in books but don't wan't to write books about them.
Face Eater said:
Peacekeeper_b said:
Ah.
But they can be mind controlled. As they can fail a 5+ save. Often.
So again, nothng wrong with how they have shown up in the novels. Im sure they are quite bad ass in the novels where they are the stars.
Which is none (I could easily be wrong) and there in lies the problem, people want them in books but don't wan't to write books about them.
Pretty sure they had a few. Faith and Fire I believe.
And I would say that truthfully, some people want books about them, but not as many who want books about Space Marines or Imperial Guard. IMO, its not a problem. SoB, IMO, are pretty boring. Frankly I only read guard, Inquisition and Horus Heresy novels from the 40K line.
andrewm9 said:
In Shira Calpurnia, half a dozen sisters are killed by a guy with a las pistol and a battle servitor.
Looks like the Shira Calpurnia novels are moving to the top of my list, based on that scene alone.
Peacekeeper_b said:
Pretty sure they had a few. Faith and Fire I believe.
And I would say that truthfully, some people want books about them, but not as many who want books about Space Marines or Imperial Guard. IMO, its not a problem. SoB, IMO, are pretty boring. Frankly I only read guard, Inquisition and Horus Heresy novels from the 40K line.
Well that is true, with a force that consists of a bunch of overly zealous, massively indoctinated warriors probably aren't the best material for a novel.
It worked for a series of graphic novels...
Hiromoon said:
It worked for a series of graphic novels...
If you are referring to Daemon-Fudge, then no it didnt work. Bought them, tried to read them, couldnt get through them.
Did you apply alchohol liberally?
I do admit, her taking out "Grey Knights" was a bit of a sore spot.
If you want to put Deathwatch up against Ordo Hereticus Id face em against a group of Eversor Assassins, pg 198 DH Asecension. Meta Bombs should burn a few fate points.
Ecclisiarch has no sway over Space Marines, nor do the Ordo Hereticus. IMHO Space Marines are too close lipped about their business. If less than a Whole Chapter Needed to be dealt with, the rest of the Chapter would do it. If a Chapter went bad, other Chapters would deal with it (I site the Badab war). Sisters would get rolled, I don't care how many there are. (My oppinion).
Darq said:
Ecclisiarch has no sway over Space Marines, nor do the Ordo Hereticus. IMHO Space Marines are too close lipped about their business. If less than a Whole Chapter Needed to be dealt with, the rest of the Chapter would do it. If a Chapter went bad, other Chapters would deal with it (I site the Badab war). Sisters would get rolled, I don't care how many there are. (My oppinion).
They may have no sway but they sure have the authority to make war against a chapter, and in the ascension book it says they are used in extreme cases, It doesnt get much more extreme then heretical space marines. Also, sisters of battle were not always the chamber militant of the Ordo Hereticus, that honor used to be with the Imperial Storm Troopers, which are still used to great extent.
Think essentially its "improbable" that SOB's vs Marines would happen very often, mostly because the Chapter deals with deviations itself and is best equipped to detect it early, even large amounts of deviant marines would probably never see the light of outsiders knowing about it, if the Dark Angels are anything to go by.
If the whole chapter goes bad... well, its still a point of pride for most other marine chapters to pick up the tab to deal with it as quickly and quietly as possible. Its a bit hard to say no, highlords dont want to hear someone say no because that means theres the possibility of some cahoots happening and that will get hit with a really big hammer. Imperial Guard, Navy, Ad-Mech and the Assassinorum brought in to bear and in never ending numbers. SOB's dont really factor that much into that massive scale of warfare, they're a good strike force and to some extent, probably an extremely good peacekeeping force to keep a popuation in-check. But I dunno if you'd bother to call them up given there are better options out there for dealing with Naughty Marines.
Hello Naughty Marines Chapter, I'm Titan! *BOOM! stomp stomp stomp splutch squish*
There is already tension between the Ecclisarch and the Space Marines - If you went to war against a chapter, I think the likely out come is other Space Marine Chapters would come to their aid and you would have a civil war. They would sort out whatever issues the wayward chapter has after they clean up the attackers.
The Ecclisarch and its troops keep civil order, bust up cults and that kind of thing. No way they can butt heads with a Space Marine Chapter they are not equipped to lay siege nor do they have appropriate Assault capability - pods etc. Adeptus Astartes and Adeptus Ministorum are the Military arms of the Imperium - Yes, The Ecclisarch has troops, but Military operations is not a primary function of theirs.
Darq said:
There is already tension between the Ecclisarch and the Space Marines - If you went to war against a chapter, I think the likely out come is other Space Marine Chapters would come to their aid and you would have a civil war. They would sort out whatever issues the wayward chapter has after they clean up the attackers.
The Ecclisarch and its troops keep civil order, bust up cults and that kind of thing. No way they can butt heads with a Space Marine Chapter they are not equipped to lay siege nor do they have appropriate Assault capability - pods etc. Adeptus Astartes and Adeptus Ministorum are the Military arms of the Imperium - Yes, The Ecclisarch has troops, but Military operations is not a primary function of theirs.
I thnk most people would say that Exorcists and Landraiders are military hardware whatever way you look at it.
Face Eater said:
Darq said:
There is already tension between the Ecclisarch and the Space Marines - If you went to war against a chapter, I think the likely out come is other Space Marine Chapters would come to their aid and you would have a civil war. They would sort out whatever issues the wayward chapter has after they clean up the attackers.
The Ecclisarch and its troops keep civil order, bust up cults and that kind of thing. No way they can butt heads with a Space Marine Chapter they are not equipped to lay siege nor do they have appropriate Assault capability - pods etc. Adeptus Astartes and Adeptus Ministorum are the Military arms of the Imperium - Yes, The Ecclisarch has troops, but Military operations is not a primary function of theirs.
I thnk most people would say that Exorcists and Landraiders are military hardware whatever way you look at it.
Except his comment was about who had the better hardware and the answer remains the same, the Witchhunters typically do not have the firepower to get into large scale conflicts unless they're supported by someone like the Guard or Marines. They have good guns, can put up a mean fight, and would utterly destory anyone who underestimates them (though underestimating ANYONE in 40k is tantamount to suicide) but there are groups within the Imperium that have BETTER guns.