Kobras Aquairre indesprepency

By alexateske, in Rogue Trader

there is a major hole in the information given about the infamous rogue trader/inquisitor lord. In the rogue trader time line it says he disappeared into the rifts of hecaton in 201 M41 while in the Radicals Handbook it says he fought in the angevin Crusade and disappeared in 011 M40. Is there any clarification of this in another source or by one of the writers?

alexateske said:

there is a major hole in the information given about the infamous rogue trader/inquisitor lord. In the rogue trader time line it says he disappeared into the rifts of hecaton in 201 M41 while in the Radicals Handbook it says he fought in the angevin Crusade and disappeared in 011 M40. Is there any clarification of this in another source or by one of the writers?

Doesn't sound too unreasonable... He's the Inquisitor/Rogue Trader guy right? It could be that the Imperium officially lost track of his movements in 011 M40. According to the Epoch Koronus supplement he crossed through the Maw in 101 M41 after which apparently he disapperas, with his ravaged worlds being ridiscovered centuries after he conquered them. In 151 M41 his death is proclaimed after nothing is heard of him, and then in 201 M41 the last of his ships returns to Port Wander to say he has passed through the rifts of Hecaton.

I think the way to look at it is the trope source inspiration for the material which is that of "Aguirre wrath of God" a German film by Werner Herzog:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aguirre,_the_Wrath_of_God

The main Character (based on the historical Gonzalo Pizarro who tried to find El Dorado"

"Anyone who even thinks about deserting this mission will be divided into 198 pieces; those pieces will be dissolved; whoever takes one grain of corn or one of water more than his ration, will be imprisoned here 155 years... If I, Aguirre, want the birds to dead from the trees... then the birds will dead from the trees... I am the wrath of God. The earth I pass will see me and tremble."

I think that Kobras Agguire is one of the Driven religious explorers who just go on and on going so deep into the known that the authorities lose track of them and quite frankly are glad to see the back of them. As far as the Imperium is concearned he officially he disappeared in 011 M40 (and a good thing too) though I think its seriously implied that he is is still driving on trying to cross the galactic void and that talks of his death are pure hearsay.

I may be mistaken by I suspect the name Kobras is a reference to something else though I cant bring it to mind.

If we take the Radical's Handbook time as canon, Aquiarre disappeared into the Rifts of Hecaton before anyone had even found a safe route into the Expanse. I'd assume that whoever wrote the Epoch Koronus neglected to check the existing timeline for clashes.

I stand corrected:

"Increasingly erratic and some say insane, his
fleet was reported lost against unknown xeno-forces
after he ventured deep into the blighted area of space
known as the Rifts of Hecaton at the edge of the
Halo Stars circa 011.M40."

looks like an adept historicus at FF has overlooked his history...

since we arent given the full timestamp, we dont have any accuracy data on those dates. Without the timestamps, all those dates could be accurate, because all those dates are local, not universal.

korjik said:

since we arent given the full timestamp, we dont have any accuracy data on those dates. Without the timestamps, all those dates could be accurate, because all those dates are local, not universal.

Keep in mind also that according to at least ONE source book, time is more than a little wonky in the Calixus sector and quite possible in the Koronus expanse as well.

weaver95 said:

Keep in mind also that according to at least ONE source book, time is more than a little wonky in the Calixus sector and quite possible in the Koronus expanse as well.

Edge of the Abyss has some story fluff with chrono discrepancies.

It's ridiculous imo, to try desperately to work an obvious and simple writer's error such as this CLEARLY is into the setting itself. The later date is clearly a typo, and just needs to be adjusted back to fit in line with the correct earlier dates. Typical FFG sloppyness if you ask me. It's along the lines of the way they can't decide even in the same book (RH) whether it's the Angevin Crusade or the Angevinian Crusade page to page.

Bladehate said:

Edge of the Abyss has some story fluff with chrono discrepancies.

Yeah, but that's just your basic 'ship goes in 998.M41 and comes out 814.M41' warp-slip.

Adam France said:

It's ridiculous imo, to try desperately to work an obvious and simple writer's error such as this CLEARLY is into the setting itself. The later date is clearly a typo, and just needs to be adjusted back to fit in line with the correct earlier dates. Typical FFG sloppyness if you ask me. It's along the lines of the way they can't decide even in the same book (RH) whether it's the Angevin Crusade or the Angevinian Crusade page to page.

The former is more easily redacted than the latter, given that the entire Epoch Koronus is listed in the same place. You'd have to shift everything up to his disappearance backwards by centuries.