When Red Viper is dead, can I use Narrow escape to get him back from the dead pile? (it is immue to events)

Another question is that I have two copies of a unique Character, one is discarded, and the other is in killed in the same phase, can I get them back both? And which one should be the original and which one to be the copy?

Thank you.

"A card with immunity ignores the effects of card types to which it is immune." - Core Rules.
"When an event card resolves, the effect cannot be applied to a card that is immune to events." - FAQ

So I would say no, you cannot bring back The Red Viper, since he would ignore Narrow Escape. Immunity is active even if the card is not in play.

For the second question, I think you would get both. Similar to dropping two Drogos (Core) in the same phase. Which one would come into play first would be up to the first player, since they would both be entering play at the same time. The second one would enter play and 'detect' that you control a unique with the same name, and be added as a duplicate. Duplicates are put into play from your hand during the marshalling phase, unless the card text - or another ability - let you. Another example would be Cat Stark from LoW. I think.

Uncle Joker said:

Yes. Card text doesn't work if the card is not in play (unless otherwise specified).

Uncle Joker said:

Yes, you can get them both. However it's very rare situation, how does it happen? Note that discarded duplicates cannot be brought back.

I believe the owner decides which copy will be duplicate.

Mathias Fricot said:

Card text is not active on any card while it is not in play unless it specifically says otherwise. This includes keywords like Immunity. So TRV is no immune while it is in your discard or dead pile and could be returned to play by Narrow Escape.

Rogue30 said:

About the only way I could envision a situation like this would be something like if you started the phase with "Wolves of the North"-Khal Drogo in play, ended up with him getting discarded, used the ability of "Core Set"-Khal Drogo to put him into play, ending up with him getting killed, the playing Narrow Escape. All in the same phase. Not a very common thing.

My initial instinct was no, since cards like Guard at Riverrun obviously do nothing while in your hand. This is a different situation though, since the card (TRV) is being targeted by a card effect, rather than the card affecting the rest of the game. The core rules say a card with immunity isn't affected by cards to which it is immune. If cards in your hand can use their abilities to replace effects (like Darkstar), logically I don't see why preventative effects like immunity wouldn't also be active. Based on this, the logical progression seemed that it couldn't be targeted by events. Thats not to say I am unaware of logic's limitations when it comes to the rules, you can't always extrapolate, I just have not found where it explicitly states in the rules when card abilities can be activated and when they cannot.

(3.13) Out of Play States
Attachment, location, and character card
effects can only be triggered (or affect the
game) when the card is in play. Event cards
can be triggered from your hand using an
action. In general, card effects on non-event
cards in a player's hand, deck, shadows area,
discard pile, and dead pile are not considered
to be actionable unless the card specifically
states that it can be triggered while in its out-of-
play state.

So there it is. Cards are not actionable when not in play unless they specifically say otherwise. Darkstar, by telling you what to do when he is discarded from your hand, specifically says otherwise. Neither the definition of immunity, or The Red Viper's own card text, says anything about immunity being active (ie, "actionable") while it is not in play, so it is not.

It's also worth noting that specifically for Narrow Escape, nothing is being targeted. An effect is only considered to have a target if it uses the word "choose."

Perfect. I was looking at it as the card being effected by another in game effect, rather than the card affecting the rest of the game. Just because something is not a target, immunity can still protect it. Things like Westeros Bleeds would not kill TRV since he is immune to events, and "When an event card resolves, the effect cannot be applied to a card that is immune to events." That says nothing about being chosen as a target. Right? I just hope I understand this correctly.

Mathias Fricot said:

Mathias Fricot said: