Hello,

I have doubts how exactly plot "The Prince That Was Promised" works. It's text says: "Any character with more attachments than each other character in play does not kneel to attack or defend". Does it mean:

1. Only one character can benefit from this plot. If it has 2 attachments, and each other charakter on board has 1 or 0 attachments, he doesnt kneel to attack or defend. If there is a tie (at least one other charakter with 2 attachments) everybody has to kneel.

2. Many charakters can benefit from this plot. If character has 2 attachments, and each other character has no more than 2 attachments, those with 2 attachments doesnt kneel to attack or defend.

Case one. The character must have strictly more attachments than every other character. If 2 characters have the same amoutn of attachments, neither of them has more than the other.

What sort of builds does everyone think this plot will work best for? Obviously a lot of potential for Baratheon and for Brotherhood decks, I was also thinking that it would go well with Targ decks due to all the attachment control. If you have a bunch of gold laying around, Kraznys could even be used to have multiple characters benefit from this plot, I'd love to see the look on someone's face when you steal their +strength or "gains stealth" attachment, toss it on your own character and then attack them without kneeling.

I played against a nifty Targaryen deck yesterday that, as one of many tricks, tanked up characters with insane attachments and then used Pentos to let it use those same attachments as saves. Net result was that it had several nigh-unkillable monsters on the board. If it had dropped a Prince That Was onto the table then I suspect that it would have given us a pretty savage turn.

That said, I can't see PTWP being the backbone of a deck; after all, it only lets you freak out with one character on one turn. Sure, it'll make for a great gimmick in a good attachment themed build (which may even be one of your win conditions), but I don't know if it enables such a build all by itself.

Oh, I probably didn't make that clear, I don't think you could build a deck around it either unless it was some sort of nonsensical plot-cycling, attachment-heavy, bloated monstrosity. I just wanted some general thoughts about the plot from anyone who is using it. Like I said, the obvious option is a Brotherhood deck featuring attachments stacked on Beric; Taste + He Calls it Thinking + pop Venomous Blade out of shadows at the beginning of challenges would be enough to ensure his attachment lead much of the time.
You could mess around with Targ attachments - Poisoned Wine on your own character to give them the attachment lead, declare attackers, move poisoned wine to return unknelt character to full strength before challenge resolves (this would work, right?)...

Have tried this with Targ, without much success.

Although Targ has good attachment control, a lot of their attachments go on opponents characters. If you can get a weapon out early this can be fun in the early rounds, but the chances of using it effectively dimish rapidly with each passing turn, especially against Baratheon.

Perhaps instead of a Targ burn deck it would do better in a Targ Dothraki deck using the Dothraki weapons, Rusted Sword, Blood of the Dragon, and Tears of Lys?

Uh Bones of a Child?

AFAIK most normal games usually one character may have 1 attachment. I think the reason Targ has a good leg with this plot is the fact that they have good attachment control, to keep an opponent from capitalizing, as well as being able to recycle their characters and attachments.

Bara has no need of it... since they have lots of their own standing tech.

I've built a Targ Dothraki deck that includes it and it has been really useful several times. The deck is attachment-heavy but it was really nice having
Dragon Sight with Aggo + Aggo's Bow + Tears when Prince is played. Most of my attachments do go on my own characters; still slimming down the deck a bit though.

Skowza said:

You cannot attach HCIThinking to Beric. That's why I use rusted swordx3 in the deck (fits perfectly well with the alchemist shop)

But I have to admit this plot is terrific with Beric in this case...

FATMOUSE used it to good effect in his Beric/Viper deck that placed second at Black Friday. Was out of Martell - he got out an uber character with all the usual toys. This Plot sevred as an accelerant. Good stuff.

Kordovan said:

D'oh, forgot HCIT goes on Martell characters only.
Since my previous post I've decided PtwP is one of those plots that I occasionally wish I was using, but when I am using it I wish I had something else.