I have a quick request for clarrificat about the range bands of guns as I see it

o----2----------------------100----------------200----------------300------------????

PB+30 Short +20 Med Long-10 extreme-30

My manin question is this the RAW says double the wepons range is long so with a 100m range double that is 200m but is that added on to the 100m med range already to make a tototal of 300m or is it just 200m? I hope that make some sencse I look forward to the well reasoned first rely and then the invetable thread drift

Moglwi said:

200m.

Alex

ak-73 said:

OK I see you just add the range togeter to get longe and add on again for extreme cool I can see why melee is so popular no one can shoot at a deasent range anymore

200m is a pretty decent range. Thats still about 3 turns of a hormagaunt horde running towards you.

Ok, maybe I got this wrong, but I always thought ranges were calculated as such:

Lets go with a bolter

Listed range, 100m

so:

short: 100/2 = 50m, medium = 100m, long = 100*2 = 200m, extreme = 100*4 = 400m (taken from range, on p141)

so the penalties

point blank (0-2m) +30, short range (3 - 50m) +10, medium range (51 - 100m) +0, long range (101-200m) -10, extreme range (201-400m) -30

Basically, think of it like this, the range description states the maximum distance that range modifier may be taken at. And then always choose the "best" modifier.

KommissarK said:

The Long Range entry on page 248 specifies long range is 'more than double the range' of the weapon. Extreme Range on page 247 is specified as 'more than three times the range' of the weapon. So 'normal' or medium range is 50-200m. Your range makes more sense to me, but the RAW disagrees.

I think these should be the RAW ranges:

ex. Bolter Range 100
Short 4-50 @ +10
Medium 51-200 @ +0
Long 201-300 @ -10
Extreme 301-400 @ -30

ItsUncertainWho said:

I use it differently though, more in line with page 141:

Short is up to 50m, medium is up to 100m, long is up to 200m, extreme is up to 400m.

Alex

I prefer the p141 range description, as it is more intuitive, easier to calculate. Also, (my math has gotten a bit fuzzy over the years), but isn't

0-2, 3-50, 51-100, 101-200, 201-400

more logarithmic, which probably fits better to the difficulty curve used in this game?

Rather than

0-2, 3-50, 51-200, 201-300, 301-400

ItsUncertainWho said:

These are the same ranges that we have used for Rogue Trader. It seems that the listed range for a weapon is the optimal range and not the limiting range.

I checked the DH errata.

I have in fact, been wrong on this.

The descriptions used in the combat section are correct. The description used in the equipment section are incorrect.

Whats weird, is that they have known that it is wrong, yet still use the incorrect text, even in the newest book.

Hooray for editors.

So yes, it is correct for a 100m weapon to have

0-2m point blank +30
3-50m short +10
51-200m medium +0
201-300m long -10
301-400m extreme -30