I dont understand very well the character creation process.

Take as example the charqcter Vaerun Waveracer from "A Day Late, A Shilling Short" , because according to the rules i dont get the 20 points

HIgh elf. Initial scores: S2 T2 A3 I3 W2 F2.... Envoy class then ---> S2 T2 A3 I4 W2 F3 - Vaerun S2 T3 A4 I4 W3 F4

---- Points spent in characteristics---> 14 points

----- Wealth: Confortable ----> 2 points

---- Skills: only 2, becasuse educatioon and Intuiton are racial------1 pointç

---- Talents: only one, because Quick Wits is racial------> 1 point

---- Actions: 2---------> 1 point

TOTAL: 19 points

I am missing something? The only plausible explanation is her wealth would be affluent, but she has only 1 gold coind and 10 silver.

The same situation with Diedrich Scheffler

In my opinion you need only 24 points to create.

22 for characteristics

1 point for wealth (poor)

1 point for 2 skills (Education and Discipline)

0 points for Talents and Actions

TOTAL: 24

Vaerun has the Parry Action Card. I suppose is another mistake... isn't it?

None of the four characters has the Block basic action card ?????.... Sorry, but I don't understand anything at all.

felix.fdez said:

This one I explained for myself with the lack of shields – no shield, so no blocking card necessary (it would only confuse players if the get a card that they cannot use, I guess).

ozean said:

You are probably right, because it is a demo adventure they dont want to manage too much cards...

felix.fdez said:

As far as I can see, Intuition isn't a free skill. Notice in the rules for High Elves, Education is specifically stated as being free, while it just says "may choose one of these basic skills to train" for the bit about Ishas Chosen. Which I read as adding these skills to the list of career skills available at character creation. Wether you actually want to spend a point to gain one of these is up to the player. It simply represents that no matter what career a High Elf has, he has the oppertunity to aquire these skills.

Actually, the racial starting skill options are 'free'. It's (somewhat) clarified in the starting skills section of the character creation process, but it's definitely confirmed in the article FFG posted on in-depth character creation.

Anyway, looking at the characters from Blackfire Pass, they don't all seem to tie out correctly either.

El Hefe said:

The rulebooks are seriously starting to frustrate me. The amount of vague rules the way it's all spread willy-nilly over the three books, not to mention the lack of an index in the back of each book, is giving me trouble just a bit too often.

Oh well, thanks for the link.

Edit: by the way. Education is a free skill for High Elves, does that mean you can use a creation point to train it or not?

Ralzar said:

You get it as acquired for free, if you want to train it at character creation you need to have it on your career skill list and pay for it.

gruntl said:

Yeah, that's how I read it, but the rulebook seems to omit wether that's how it actually works or not. It says you can only train a skill once at character creation, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were considering aquiering a skill as the same as training it. So if it's an advanced skill that's not free (like Apprentice Wizards Magical Sigth) you use one "advance" at character creation to aquire the skill, but can you then use another advance to train it? And if you get it for free, can you then invest a point in it to have it trained? I guess I would rule that, yes you can, in both cases. But I really wish I wouldn't have to do so much interpretating of the rules to come up with that answer.

Ralzar said:

El Hefe said:

Yes, you are right. Also, the fact that the character Vaerun has not specializations means she has paid creation points only for two skills, because it she would paid for three, she would get an specialization also.

So, in my opinion Vaerun and Driedrich are not correctly created.

Ralzar said:

I think the character creation process is clear, but looking at the pregenerated characters in the demo scenarios, I am thinking if we are missing something.

felix.fdez said:

I don't think it is safe to assume those characters are newly created ones. They will have been designed to fit into that demo scenario and so the designers probably gave them skills etc that were appropriate and needed, rather than restricting them specifically to be new charatcer designs.

pumpkin said:

It's the same with the pregenerated characters for Black Fire Pass, they are not at all built using the the starting char rules.

Ralzar said:
Yeah, that's how I read it, but the rulebook seems to omit wether that's how it actually works or not. It says you can only train a skill once at character creation, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were considering aquiering a skill as the same as training it. So if it's an advanced skill that's not free (like Apprentice Wizards Magical Sigth) you use one "advance" at character creation to aquire the skill, but can you then use another advance to train it? And if you get it for free, can you then invest a point in it to have it trained? I guess I would rule that, yes you can, in both cases. But I really wish I wouldn't have to do so much interpretating of the rules to come up with that answer.

Yeah, the rulebook is certainly vague on this issue. But I think it is clarified in the FAQ? I remember that this was a rules issue people were discussing back when the game was just released.

Also, just an advice since I'm not sure if you're aware of this, FFG actually has a really good "Rules questions" service. Click the link at the bottom of every FFG page and choose WHFRP and send in your question. I've done this three times and have gotten a direct answer from Jay each time within a couple of days.