Well, as James seems to read this post (at least ^^), I have to say I'm kinda puzzled by the way you treated the questions.

We both know the problem is not Marius situation, but the problem given by the total lake of answers from FFG's staff concerning the rules query.

To be true, I posted something like 12 differents problems concenrning rulings and interactions and no answers were ever given to those problems. Late FAQ was laking a huge numbers of problems, concerning the "put into play committed" or "put into play insane", which where rpesented in articles but still lakes precision.

Where the hell should we post the problem in a way someone from your crew answers ???

The link quoted don't offers enough returns to be trusted ... I'm still waiting for the answers asked months ago ...

Should you imagine, like others card games did, creating a "Guru club" or something that might use th knowledge of ancient players + their vision of the game since the CCG area ??

It's clear that you can't actually follow the development of the game + the interaction and rules.

I know that the compagny might not have interest to develop the rules for aknowledged players, but remember those players are the one who tend to present the game to news players and keep the community alive. It should be fine you involve the players who want to join in a specific forum, so you should use your occam's razor faster ... and give answers faster too !!

So X, when targeted by card effects is up to the targeting player's "players option"? I suppose that makes sense, or I can see the logic in it anyway.

A. Use Master of TIme and space's ability

B. Choose Resurrection in the discard pile.

C. As the card's cost is X, I am now able to determine that cost to be whatever I want.

D. Since Yog's text says "Don't pay any costs" I don't pay the cost of X (which is whatever I wanted it to be)

E. Resolve Resurrection as if it was cost X, which is whatever I want (we'll say one billion)

F. get a character out of my discard pile with a cost of less than one billion.

Or am I missing something somewhere?

You have revived an old posting - one that was somewhat ....testy at times (to put it mildly) - but your question is valid, so I'll try to answer as I see it.

Basically...yes....the way you laid it out - is the way Marius was originally implying it could be played, and what I came to conclude after hitting upon that major - major - part of the Lord of Time and Space's card text ... "Without Paying its costs" ....meaning...at the point where you would NORMALLY have to pay "the cost that you want X-to be" - (when using Unspeakable Ressurection) - Yog-Sothoth allows you to "get around" that normal aspect of playing the card.

Instead you can simply "choose" the cost (value of X) that you want X to be....and then the card resolves, targeting whatever you picked in your Discard pile for it to get. Thus...you could pay 2....play Unspeakable Ressurection from the Discard....choose another character in the Discard, like an Guardian Elder Thing (cost-5 normally) ....and put him into play....essentially getting a 3-point discount on Unspeakable Ressurection. Normally it would cost 5, which is the cost of the Elder Thing....but Yog-Sothoth's ability allows you to play the card in the Discard "Without Paying its costs"....so Unspeakable Res can be whatever cost/value you set it to.

It's a nice card...and a useful combo....but after consideration, it's hardly game-breaking or "so strong you can't handle it". It also requires a bunch of things to happen in the game, before you can even pull it off.

1.) You have to have some Character that you want to later bring into play using Unspeakable Ressurection...and you have to have that Character die...or otherwise get into your Discard pile.

2.) Next, you have to have played an Unspeakable Ressurection card - originally - on some other Character earlier in the game....so that it too is sitting in your Discard Pile later in the game.

3.) Now you have to somehow get Yog-Sothoth, Lord of Time and Space into play. This is likely not happening much before Turn-4 or 5 - unless you get some really nice combo with Seekers of Mystery and Doppelgangers (potentially) to reduce his normal cost.

4.) Finally...after all those steps are complete, and you have 2-Resources sitting open......you can play the Unspeakable Ressurection, using Yog's ability, to target that other Character you have been waiting to get into play via Unsp-Res....and put that Character into play.

ALL those things have to happen in order for you to even get this "combo" off. It seems like it will not even happen all the time....and when it does, it's nice...but it's not "OMG, this is worse than 70-Steps - Magah-Birds - Sled Dogs !!!!".

So I'm not that worried about it, and I think - in hindsight - that much of the ....tension in this thread came from people over-reacting (perhaps ?) to what they thought was "something so powerful and unstoppable it couldn't possibly be legal" - when, after some consideration, it's really not all that bad...and likely won't even be seen in every game - even if you "rigged your deck" to try to take advantage of it (Things in the Ground, Dr. Carson's Treatment, Discard effects - etc).

This card isn't as bad as Sled dogs, magah birds, or really any of those since it can't really "go off" until turn 3 or 4. It's a new way to use Yog's spell mechanics, but I still somewhat prefer the original for the fact that you can get him into play turn 2 or 3 with the proper use of cards such as Speak to the Dead. Master of Time and Space does allow a great deal more flexibility in what is possible from the character though.

... I do forsee it being more and more troublesome as time wears on though.

FFGHata said:

Only answering rules questions in FAQ updates is a poor system and not player friendly.

I'd add that it seems to take a massively long amount of time for new FAQ updates to come out. Granted, you wouldn't expect FFG to be putting them out weekly or anything...but...I started this game in August of this year...so about 6-months ago. I believe the FAQ was new at that time (a few weeks old ?)....so we are talking at least 5-6 Asylum Packs, loaded with many questionable cards and new mechanics / concepts with them.....and we haven't gotten a new FAQ update.

Not to mention, our French members (and Professor I think mentioned this once as well) - have had pending .....STILL pending questions they submitted which have NEVER been answered yet - in any of the previous FAQ's.

So it's okay to say "submit question - get it answered in the FAQ" - but why make your loyal fans wait over half a year to get your answers - particularly when many of the questions - just look at the Doppelganger thread or the Yog-Sothoth // U-Ressurection (this thread) - discussions to see how many conflicting ideas and uncertainties have come up with just TWO cards.

If possible, please have the FAQ updated once every 2-3 months ...that would be a bit more bearable. Fans of your great game should not have to wait half a year or longer to hear your answer to something that might have come out and been "confusing" - 5-6 months earlier.

/me stretches.

Ok... not to bring up an old 'debate' but a recent interaction with Rosh in the rules discussion forum incouraged me to look this up. I skimmed things over and this is what I have.

Unspeakable Ressurection
Cost: X
Card Type: Event
Text:
Spell
Action: Choose a character in your discard pile with cost X or lower. Put that character into play.

*Yog-Sothoth
Lord of Time and Space
Cost: 6
Card Type: Character
Text:
Anceitn One.
Villaninous. Invulnerability.
Action: Pay 2 to choose and play a Spell event card from your discard pile without paying its costs. Then, place that card on the bottom of your deck.

And since it was cited as a precedence to the ruling some believe to be true...

Starry Wisdom Deacon
Cost: 3
Card Type: Character
Text:
Cultist
Action: Sacrifice Starry Widom Deacon to lower the cost of the next event card you play this phase to 0.

First lets bust the myth that SWD can be used as precedence for Yog:
- SWD lowers the cost of a card by infinity until the cost is 0. You are still paying for the card, you just don't have to drain anything.
- Yog removes the requirement to pay the cost of a card. Not only does this include draining a domain but anything that would read "As an additional cost to play this card." (not that I can think of any examples off the top of my head as most, if not all the cards that have additionals costs have it listed under their ability, not as static text. So this may be a stawman agrument pay no attention to the additional cost part as it doesn't really matter)
- While they do reach similiar goals they accomplish them in very different ways. Mathmatically its almost like comparing 1+2=3 and 2+1=3. They appear interchangeable, but in reality they are not.

Now that SWD is out of the way we can procceed to the interaction between Yog and UR:
- First you must pay the costs and then a legal target for Yog's ability, no problem. Now we move onto casting UR without paying its costs.
- Since I am no longer paying a cost for UR I move to resolve. "Choose a character in my dicard pile with cost X or lower."
- Here the card checks to see what the value of X is. X is the amount paid for the cost of UR. Since I didn't pay a cost because I couldn't via Yog's ability we need to determine what the value of X is.
- This is where the problem really is. Logic dictates that since 0 was paid becuase I could not pay, X must equal 0. While others argue that since I'm not paying a cost I can determine the X to be "any amount".
- But in order for X to be "any amount" you have to pay "any amount" in order to choose a character with a cost "any amount" or lower.
- This is because UR checks and assigns the value of X based on the amount paid for UR.
- Since you did not pay "any amount" for UR you can NOT choose a character with cost "any amount" or lower. Thus debunking the ability to set an arbitrary number for X.

In conclusion, you must set X to 0. Now if James wants to erratta Yog to read more like SWD so the card works as intended so be it. However, as printed, X has no choice but to be 0.