Two questions so far:

First, when they say to make an Ascension character with 14,000 xp , is that the base 13,000 xp plus 1,000 or is it 13,000 plus the 14, for a grand total of 27,000 xp?

Second, assuming you give an Ascension character an equal amount of Requisitioning points, what seems like a fair cost for basic Astartes Power Armor? I'm thinking around 40, so with Signature Wargear (Master) an Ascension character could have their own armor without needing to buy from their Requisition allotment each game.

It's 13,000 plus 1,000 for a total of 14,000.

I'm not too sure if non-Astartes can safely use Astartes Power Armour at all.

Ok, but then starting Ascension chars get 13,000 + 500. So should I get 1,000 on top of that, or just 14,000 flat? The latter I'm guessing. BTW, are you guessing or do you have something you're basing this on?

Was there something about the APA that made it dangerous for non space marines?

Whats the next best armor?

It's based upon total XP, no matter where it comes from. It's going to be 13,000+1,000. Just ignore the usual Ascension starting point of 13,500.

As for the armour bit, I'm just basing it off of the Deathwatch sidebar that says Astartes gear is dangerous for humans. However, we do know that there are some Inquisitors that wear Terminator armour, so...

Well the fact that you need the Black Carapace to interface with Astartes Power Armor and that NO Chapter would willingly give up one of it's sacred suits of Power Armor to a non-Battle Brother. Then you have to get past the fact they are made for 7ft tall genetic superhumans......

The Black Carapace removes the Hulking penalty. Astartes power armor can be worn by anyone, they are just a lot easier to hit.

Easier to hit because they are considered one size bigger right? Well there are lesser power armors that do that.

So is the consensus that it could be worn by anyone? If so, what about the Requisitioning cost?

The armour bit is not covered by the rules.

If you want to stay true that part of the lore, astartes armour cannot be used by normal humans. As muzzyman said, the black carapace is needed to interface with it and it´s far too big in size for normal human.

Same thing with weapons, to big, heavy, unwieldy, etc... for normal humans. The recoil of an astartes bolter can cause serious injuries to normal humans for instance.

@ HappyDaze: your example is correct, there are Inquisitors wearing Terminator Armour. Those suits however are not astartes sized, and some of the rarest items in the Imperium (probably less than 100 suits in total). Each suit a unique masterpiece crafted millenia ago...

What I´d do, where I to GM a DW group with a non Space Marine character who wants to wear Power Armour is the following: I´d give him the regular DH Power Armour and a Backpack from the Deathwatch (which means the armour doesn´t run out of power every couple of hours anymore). With increasing renown I´d allow that armour to be outfitted with some of the astartes PA abilities.

The choice is ultimately up to you, however.

In one of the Horus Heresy novels one of the human empires the Luna Wolves come across has their armies outfitted in power armor identical to the Astartes, only smaller. There could easily be a Unique/Near Unique pattern that matches Astartes armor that fits humans without a need for a black carapace.

So is the consensus that it could be worn by anyone? If so, what about the Requisitioning cost?

I don't think that's the consensus at all. In fact, vanilla Astartes Armour will probably be almost impossible to wear - it's designed to take its movement cues from the Black Carapace interface instead of the feedback mechanisms of normal power armour.

There's a Power Armour in Ascension which is generally used by Inquisitors. Why don't you take that one?

Cifer said:

agreed. power armor that is designed for cybernetically and genetically augmented steroid freak super soldiers that are 7.5-8ft tall is not compatible for use with regular humans simply from a size perspective unless you think you can use the armor when your feet only reach the mid shins and your fingertips reach just a bit past the elbows. the black carapace allows the armor to link to systems that those without it couldn't use like the pain med injector. the starting dose for a marine would be more equivalent to a horse's dose than a standard humans and would simply kill a standard human just like an adult dose for a small child would. if you want to look and play like a marine, play a marine! there is a perfectly acceptable (and powerful) power armor variant in the ascension book that is designed for standard humans.

ItsUncertainWho said:

an the armor from the "other" terran empire (i'm assuming you mean that book) could easily be the equivalent of the ascension power armor and matches that description. there's no need to take something unique for space marine's physiology and apply it to normal humans.

BeyondFandom said:

Between N/A for Mk VII and 60 Astartes Artificer Armor. Looking at the standard weapon requisition cost verses the relic requisition cost (50-70 requisition) it would seem that dividing by 10 would be in order. I would place the Astartes Armor at 6-requisition, perhaps double that to 12-requisition. I would allow a PC to buy Astartes Armor as personal wargear for 500 XP. Perhaps the Astartes Armor is pieced together from Choas Marine armor, and favors called in. Seing how the PC would have 8-points or 14-points of requisition left over in the personal wargear budget I would let him buy some sort of techno-bobble dohicky to not be considered hulking, and call it even.

Any Battle Brother of any chapter would consider it restoring the chapters honor to put a bolter through the non-Astartes head and return the armor to the home chapter. To argue this point is to not understand what it means to be one of the Emperor's chosen.

Ok, so point taken that the APA is off limits to non-space marines. I have the Ascension book, so I've seen the power armor there, but I seem to remember the Rogue Trader book having some power armors, is the Ascension book armor the best out of all the books, not counting DW?

Technically, there is Nob Mega Armour, but...

Rogue Trader's Into The Storm also has Heavy Power Armour. It grants 9 AP and Autostabilised, but has only 12 hours of operation, gives a further -20 penalty to agility and lets any dodge, acrobatics and contortionist tests fail outright. It's pretty much a poor man's terminator armour (well, as poor as someone who can afford an Extremely Rare item is anyway).

Astates armor in DH/RT/DW is sort of odd fluffwise. and the reason that I say that is that there's an Inquisitor walkin around in a full set of Terminator armor. Which, IIRC has the same requirements as Astartes armor. So what the story is for non-astartes and power armor is a good question. Remember too that Ventris reaction to SM power armor in the museum might be peculier to Ultramarines, though I have no doubt that SM in general prefer to see their chapter retain it's power armor.

and the reason that I say that is that there's an Inquisitor walkin around in a full set of Terminator armor.

As moepp said, those would be a rather rare exception. As long as we're talking DAoT tech here, there's nothing hindering anyone from creating a terminator suit for normal humans - it's just that those suits are no longer in production anywhere and any surviving ones are far rarer than even Astartes Terminator armour.