Cifer said:

Why would it be a mistake? There are calls for toughness checks in the game as well that don't benefit from unnatural talent, so why would this be any different? You can also make strength checks for pushing/lifting beyond your limit, but it wouldn't help there either.

To me (now I'm not a doctor or worlds strongest man champion by any stretch) it seems it's a lot harder to exercise your strength when you are trapped in a confined space, such as an iron suit with no power. When you're moving about and lifting, carrying, you use far more muscles to lift and throw something than you do trying to move your arm or leg, or open your hand.

So the answer is... Bugger?

Are we actually working with a real idea of "servomotors" or is this a magical fix to neuromuscular fiber bundles (equally magical)? I suspect that it is a case of throwing two different mechanisms at each other, but even then based upon what I'm seeing the answer is really "no." A Marine in power armour is going to be much like a medieval knight in plate armour...?

Or is the "servomotor" reference a fix to the idea that there just be some joint articulate that actually prevents a Marine from moving if it isn't powered? (Again, though, issues with the idea of NFBs...)

Kage

Cifer said:

Inquisitors Handbook has this rule regarding Unnatural Characteristics: When taking a Skill Test based upon a Characteristic with the Unnatural trait, the base Diffculty of the Test is staged downwards one level for degree of multiplier past normal (to maximum of +30)

Does Deathwatch have something similar ?

If so, then the unnatural strength will add +10, so the test is only -30.

The Power Armour in Ascension requires a -60 test to move it.

Bilateralrope said:

Same system? That would appear to suggest that the answer is yes.

Bilateralrope said:

Ah, so that's the way it is.

Kage

Kage2020 said:

I only asked because that particular rule only showed up in IH, not the RT or DH core rulebooks.

Howdy!

The answer...wait for it...Duct tape!

When pushing something you can use your whole body mass to help you. I don't think that rules are meant to be read so space marine can push 9 tons with his arms, but actually using his whole body. Most of the strenght would come from legs. When trapped inside of a power armor, SM can't use his "full pushing strenght" Just my two cents.

The weight they can lift is the most awesome thing about Deathwatches Space Marines, and that is mostly because the table is broken.

Could anybody say how much SM (in Power armour and without it) can carry, lift and push? Can he heft a car for example?

Santiago said:

hm... where from this numbers are taken?

DW Space Marine said:

Extrapolation from the table on page 208.

Alex