Counterspell vs. Improved Counterspell

By Lucas Adorn, in WFRP Rules Questions

So I noticed after reading both that counterspell is actually better in some situations than Imp. Counterspell.

Counterspell says under special: After you are declared as a target of a supernatural or spell action, you may........

Imp. Counterspell says: After an enemy within close range declares a supernatural or spell action, you may.....

So in any situation where you are the target of a spell from an enemy further away than close range you'd actually rather want the counterspell since(strictly speaking) the Improved Counterspell doesn't work.

That is kinda strange. Since you don't retain the counterspell card when you obtain the Imp. Counterspell I'd say this is an error or oversight on the designers part (unless I'm overseeing something). Hopefully this will be adresses in a future expansion, which is also there real reason I'm bringing this up. To get some attention to the fact.

I guess in the meantime I'll just rule that both the effects are retained within the Imp. Counterspell.

-L

I think you have spotted an error. An Improved card should cover all that the basic card does plus more.

I agree. As GM, i'd rule in favor of one version for both with Improved beeing always better (like other Active Defence cards Parry, etc)

The improved version replace the basic card (you toss it back in the deck so to speak)

Have to submitted this as a query to FFG support?

Rob

Uhm no... How do I do that?

There is a link at the bottom of the page called “Rules questions”. Just click it and fill the question form. And then tell us about the answer you got happy.gif

Why do that when you can argue about it with forumites?

Like the philosophers in 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' we demand doubt and uncertainty!

Here's the answer I recieved:

Improved Counterspell should be superior to Counterspell in all respects. In essence, Improved Counterspell allows you to interfere with spells cast within close range of you even if you are not the target. It can still function whenever a spell is cast at you, regardless of range.


Enjoy the game!


~Dan Clark

Thanks, Dan

-L

Lucas Adorn said:

Here's the answer I recieved:

Improved Counterspell should be superior to Counterspell in all respects. In essence, Improved Counterspell allows you to interfere with spells cast within close range of you even if you are not the target . It can still function whenever a spell is cast at you, regardless of range.

Enjoy the game!


~Dan Clark

Thanks, Dan

-L

Very cool clarification gran_risa.gif

It makes the Impproved version much interesting