Or the deep striking goodness of the Space Wolves from 2nd edition.
Biggest Nerd-Rage 40k Controversies Ever!
bring back squats.
Also arnt female marines sisters of battle? (technically)
Space Marines being criminal scum.
The Emperor being alive.
And they'ed be battle-sisters, not sisters of battle. Though one might imagine that they'ed have a different phrase for it, since that might be confusing. One of my players has a FSM chapter where they call one another Hunter-Warriors. (and, yes, their hand to hand technique is called panzer kunst, for those that get the joke)
My Primarch/Chapter is the bestest.
Gaurdian31 said:
My Primarch/Chapter is the bestest.
But mine is the best....DOh! Fell into it!
This only true if you're a Space Wolf player.
BaronIveagh said:
And they'ed be battle-sisters, not sisters of battle. Though one might imagine that they'ed have a different phrase for it, since that might be confusing. One of my players has a FSM chapter where they call one another Hunter-Warriors. (and, yes, their hand to hand technique is called panzer kunst, for those that get the joke)
You know that alternatively that the Sororitas are also called Battlesisters right?
andrewm9 said:
BaronIveagh said:
And they'ed be battle-sisters, not sisters of battle. Though one might imagine that they'ed have a different phrase for it, since that might be confusing. One of my players has a FSM chapter where they call one another Hunter-Warriors. (and, yes, their hand to hand technique is called panzer kunst, for those that get the joke)
You know that alternatively that the Sororitas are also called Battlesisters right?
Yes.... hence the very next sentence after that....?
Amusingly enough, I was reading through the Deathwatch book and noticed we're back to every world in the Imperium being constantly at war or very recently at war. If this was really the case, the Imperium would have collapsed thousands of years ago, as soon as the resources consumed outpaced the resources availible, since conquest and development of fresh worlds would have been impossible. They would have required every person that could bare arms at home.
Dan Abnett. You'd think he was a serial killer the amount people whinge about his contributions to the "canon".
BaronIveagh said:
andrewm9 said:
BaronIveagh said:
And they'ed be battle-sisters, not sisters of battle. Though one might imagine that they'ed have a different phrase for it, since that might be confusing. One of my players has a FSM chapter where they call one another Hunter-Warriors. (and, yes, their hand to hand technique is called panzer kunst, for those that get the joke)
You know that alternatively that the Sororitas are also called Battlesisters right?
Yes.... hence the very next sentence after that....?
Amusingly enough, I was reading through the Deathwatch book and noticed we're back to every world in the Imperium being constantly at war or very recently at war. If this was really the case, the Imperium would have collapsed thousands of years ago, as soon as the resources consumed outpaced the resources availible, since conquest and development of fresh worlds would have been impossible. They would have required every person that could bare arms at home.
I agree. Actually, I am guilty of constantly nerding on about an understandable economic system, internal logic of the setting, etc. I bore myself, sometimes.
Don't worry, economics, like any other science, is HERESY as far as some people on this forum are concerned. 'It works because Rick Preistley is GOD!" is the usual view in a nutshell.
I'm not a big fan of Dan Abnett, but his work beats, say, Gav Thorpe or Graham McNeill (who seems ot think he's still writing WHF).
BaronIveagh said:
Don't worry, economics, like any other science, is HERESY as far as some people on this forum are concerned. 'It works because Rick Preistley is GOD!" is the usual view in a nutshell.
I'm not a big fan of Dan Abnett, but his work beats, say, Gav Thorpe or Graham McNeill (who seems ot think he's still writing WHF).
:: Picks up a baseball bat and does a few practice swings with it. :: What did you say about Dan Abnett? :: Hits Baronlveagh in the knee with the bat:: You dont like Dan Abnett? UH! Say it! :: Hits slams the bat several times down on his body:: Say that Dan Abnett is GOD! SAY IT! :: Spits on him as he lies there in a bloody mess::
Just kiding around, but your right people do go into extremes when discussing various aspects of the 40k world. Its funny sometimes...
I'm waiting for the whole 'male wyches' thing to hit... though maybe not enough people play dark eldar to care anymore....
Bad Birch said:
Dan Abnett. You'd think he was a serial killer the amount people whinge about his contributions to the "canon".
Mkoll vs. Chaos Dreaddy in Ghostmaker
Ghosts + Gereon Resistance vs. Chaos Space Marines in Traitor General
Ibram Guant´s pedant vs. Heritor Asphodel´s shot from macrobolter.
Hours of constructive and enriching conversations
Apparently calling it "Mechanicum" rather than "Mechanicus" at the wrong time is worthy for nerd rage as well.
Or that Storm of Iron is a small, steaming pile of poo.
Kage
BaronIveagh said:
I'm not a big fan of Dan Abnett, but his work beats, say, Gav Thorpe or Graham McNeill (who seems ot think he's still writing WHF).
Gav Thorpe needs to be hit with a stick until he stops moving.
About the only Inquisitor thing I liked of Abnetts was the short story of the retired guardsmen murdering locals, the rest I felt distinctly meh about. Gaunts Ghost was fairly readable but was basically just Sharpe in space so i didnt bother keeping up with it as we all know Gaunts going to make it and is going to be always right about everything
Artaxerxes said:
BaronIveagh said:
I'm not a big fan of Dan Abnett, but his work beats, say, Gav Thorpe or Graham McNeill (who seems ot think he's still writing WHF).
Gav Thorpe needs to be hit with a stick until he stops moving.
About the only Inquisitor thing I liked of Abnetts was the short story of the retired guardsmen murdering locals, the rest I felt distinctly meh about. Gaunts Ghost was fairly readable but was basically just Sharpe in space so i didnt bother keeping up with it as we all know Gaunts going to make it and is going to be always right about everything
Yes it is sharpe in Space. But I like the Sharpe Movies and the Sharpe in space novels as well.
Ranek7212 said:
Yes it is sharpe in Space. But I like the Sharpe Movies and the Sharpe in space novels as well.
Aye, it's why I like them too, because Sharpe is awesome.
Also, I quite like Gav Thorpe's stuff. It's not as good as some others, but it's not bad.
Well thats where we have to agree to disagree Mill. Gav Thorpe...well I can't say anything nice about the man. I am just glad Phil kelly did my space wolf codex.
Artaxerxes said:
BaronIveagh said:
I'm not a big fan of Dan Abnett, but his work beats, say, Gav Thorpe or Graham McNeill (who seems ot think he's still writing WHF).
Gav Thorpe needs to be hit with a stick until he stops moving.
About the only Inquisitor thing I liked of Abnetts was the short story of the retired guardsmen murdering locals, the rest I felt distinctly meh about. Gaunts Ghost was fairly readable but was basically just Sharpe in space so i didnt bother keeping up with it as we all know Gaunts going to make it and is going to be always right about everything
'Knowing' a central character in an ongoing series is likely to survive all the books save possibly the last in the series is not a valid reason for not liking the books.
By that rationale absolutely any ongoing series, in any genre, with a central character is no good.
The Gaunt books are not just Sharpe in space. Aside from having often stunning scenes and imaginative foes. They introduced many of the 40k concepts and nomenclature we take for granted today. They also help contribute towards Abnett's wider grand improvement of the setting.
I'm reading a lot of 40K books at the moment, and honestly Abnett is clearly, demonstrably, a far better writer of character, setting, atmosphere, action, and '40K' than any of his peers. No question imho. If he has a weakness it's plotting, and I think that slight weakness is usually exagerated by his detractors.
I'll stick to Flashman in space...
Adam: um, frankly, it's not that great, or that imaginative. He uses a lot of situations from the real world, just like Sharpe does. He just puts a 40k spin on them.
And, it's lacking something to be Sharpe in space. Gaunt hasn't slept with every female character he meets.
BaronIveagh said:
I'll stick to Flashman in space...
Adam: um, frankly, it's not that great, or that imaginative. He uses a lot of situations from the real world, just like Sharpe does. He just puts a 40k spin on them.
And, it's lacking something to be Sharpe in space. Gaunt hasn't slept with every female character he meets.
Necropolis and would have done in the compilation book if the pesky Eldar werent in the way...
BaronIveagh said:
I'll stick to Flashman in space...
Adam: um, frankly, it's not that great, or that imaginative. He uses a lot of situations from the real world, just like Sharpe does. He just puts a 40k spin on them.
And, it's lacking something to be Sharpe in space. Gaunt hasn't slept with every female character he meets.
Aye, Gaunt isn't nearly as good as Sharpe in space, as much as it is trying to be it.
I still say that, out of all the 40k books I've read, the Ciaphas Cain ones are (joint with Eisenhorn other than the stupid "fight the titan" bit) easily the most enjoyable out of the lot. I assume you believe the same, Baron, from your post?
Actually... Ciaphas Cain is more like Sharpe in Space than Gaunt, because he has the constant aide/sidekick Jurgan (like Patrick in Sharpe), and he does actually end up sleeping with 90% of the women he meets. This, plus it being Flashman/Blackadder in space also, is probably why I love it, and why I was so glad to be able to have a 10 minute conversation with Sandy Mitchell at Games Day today whilst he was signing my copy of "The Emperor's Finest" (the newest Ciaphas Cain book *squeeee*
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Flashman in space sounds fun. Too bad someone isnt writing a Rogue Traders adventures with an anti-hero like Flashman.
As for Sharpe in space, that sounds cool. I read a really awesome history of the Rifle regiment, and many times the true adventures outstrip the fiction of Sharpe.
MILLANDSON said:
This, plus it being Flashman/Blackadder in space also, is probably why I love it, and why I was so glad to be able to have a 10 minute conversation with Sandy Mitchell at Games Day today whilst he was signing my copy of "The Emperor's Finest" (the newest Ciaphas Cain book *squeeee*
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Lucky Dog! I have to wait until December to read it.