You guys had a fricking bonfire going. Don't tell me you guys are going to be silent until next "broken card". That is totally unjust. I mean you guys trashed the devs, FFG, the game, the fans, the haters, ...their mothers....their dead mothers....and their dog too. New players joined the forums and you told them "great now go away these forums are bad mojo".

Finally all of your complaining gets results and now the thrower is weakened, and everything is quiet. I hope that is a good sign you guys are busting out the decks and playing again, since you aren't in the forums with happy posts.


Oh yeah!

Jogo is the trolling?

*goes back to listening to EPIC music and discovering with new card combos for draft*

During the team event at Gencon my team fielded a Bolt thrower deck that used Savage Assault (am i gettting the title right? the neutral tactic for 2 that deals X indirect where X is the number of developments in the battlefield) and it worked well. It wasnt as good as the versions without that card, but with the new change I expect the deck to morph into our version. Dwarves beat it handily, though, so I don't expect the meta will change much overall. We'll see. Still, glad to see FFG make the right decision.

I think FFG should be ashamed after this decisions. Changing a product only cus a bunch of loosers couldn't find a way to live with it, shows us all (the global customers) how insicure and weak they are. How worth is dealing with an insicure company?

What if for every new card some fools would come up whining and crying to get it banned? they gonna kneel to every1?

why instead FFG grows some balls?

Kragg said:

This is like best post. Ever.

RBT wasn't my favourite deck, but (and I'm not kiddin'), me and my meta were testin' it BEFORE anyone else did...

I say this just to let you know how I think it was an enjoyable "face" of the overall meta, like everything else...It wasn't that fun (control.combo decks are NOT fun anyway), but it was a deck. Stop. An archetype to beat and it wasn't so difficult.

I'm ok with erratas when are really needed to speed up the game or to make it better...But in this case, i guess you did one of the biggest errors in LCG history.

The game is evolving and new exciting stuff are comin' out...You could have waited a bit...You never gave us the time to try a mono-High Elf "indirect" damage built...

Maybe this choice is there even for that...But it's too early for a decision like this.

We used to live with "horrible" and "baby" Skaven decks for months and nothing happened. And you know why? Because the game grows up day by day and a lot of archetypes come out...Skaven are just another face of the meta, right now and even if I think they're "too fast", potentially, I leave them alone, cause I think the fast and furious idea is in the concept of the game itself...

And so did RBT.

Ok the errata, not the nerf. 1/2 damages per turn is like banning it. So, just ban it! Ok, in the long run you can develop a lot your Battlefield and play without treasure vaults...Some builds are possible (and I'm gonna find 'em all ), but I think the "classic" version was just A deck.

Anyway, I keep what masters give us. I like the game and the community.

But let me say that this choice gives me some reasons to think about a couple of things and I just wait for the new "cries" for what's coming (what's next? Necromancy-combo decks? Lizardmen?)...

Ane the thing that is a bit disgusting (not about FFG, but about "fans") is that lots of players who "drove" this choice, play Skaven decks or similar, that are the easiest, not-funny and simpliest way to play/win, without any building challenge.

Cheers.

DB.Cooper said:

Yeah, by the dwarfs and not a single other deck, which was proved by the championships. Please stop posting nonsense.

DB.Cooper said:

Where were those skaven in top8? At the moment the strongest deck is dwarfs and skaven can't even scratch it. So the conspiracy was probably schemed by them

stop talking non sence dude, the dwarf defeatead the RBT deck, so why the hell ppl should worry about it?

Kragg said:

Virgo said:

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Virgo said:

You're running short on time, still no thread about bringing bolt thrower back?

oh shi-

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DB.Cooper said:

Eh, people react to heavily against bannings IMHO. I didn't mind the bolt-thrower decks as long as they printed some decent anti-spell and/or anti-support cards. There are 15 different ways to wipe out every character on the board (or close to it) and almost no (playable, repeat...PLAYABLE) ways to counter support cards like the throwers.

In three months everyone will forget about the bannings, just like in every other game. Neither playing with or against a thrower deck was much fun, so I don't see the issue in it. I am just glad it got beat at Worlds - I went 0-1 against them (luckily didn't have to play one in the Top 8) and didn't tech out enough...maybe I wouldn't have made Top 8 if I would have diluted the deck more.

However, I agree not much touches Dwarf right now. Not sure the answer there, other than new cards.

Ban RTF! Then Orc/Undead offers a legitimate lategame control deck to trump Dwarf Midrange, and the meta gets exciting again because Orc/Undead is soft to aggro.

Or, leave RTF in, let Dwarves have an answer to everyone and make this panda quite sad indeed.

rings said:

I see your point here, but I find fixing the dwarfs with releasing even more overpowered cards a bad idea.

If you claim that RBT is not that strong, I claim at least, that it is not in the flow of the game. Making wars with warhammers with no units is a bit strange.

jogo said:

you talk about "making wars with warhammers with no units", have you ever played dwarfs or empire in the REAL warhammer? (i'm talking about warhammer fantasy battle)

this is a typically empire list: great cannon +mortar, great cannon + mortar, great cannon + mortar, steam tank, hellblaster volley gun, hellblaster volley gun.

this is a typically dwarf list: organ gun, organ gun, organ gun, grudgetrower, grudge trower, flame cannon.

is this how you're suppose to make a war?

Kragg said:

Clearly you haven't. Where are the core units that must compose at least 25% of the army?

Oh there were alwasy players that wanted to gun the Empire or Dwarf "Gunline" but fact is, those rmies never won games at the higher levels. Pre-8th the rare good empire armies and players that would come forward were always re-direct infantry armies, ussaly commanded by an arch lector, steam tanks were often present and cannons were tools to keep monsters honest, but those cannon armies you describe where never ever top contenders at any real events. There was always some kid that would win small store tourneys with the "knights of the holy cannon train" but they could never compete with the MSU combat armies or undead or demons, which where the real kings.

right now, dwarfs empire and skaven are the armies leading tournaments in 8th edition (at least in my country) and most of their army is strongly based on shooting and war machine (eccept skaven who also requires an huge amount of units and big monsters). empire and dwarfs are using rly few units (eccept pistoliers and rangers) like longbears or greatswords.

@virgo ok.

Funny how in your country people are playing using invalid army lists.

Pistoliers are a Special choice and so are Greatswords. Rangers are 0-1 in Dwarf army and you need at least 3 units to play. Longbeards cannot be fielded without Warriors.

Care to elaborate about army lists without units? : >

Virgo said:

hey smartass wanna the complete list of those 2 army? what if I would say that HE plays only with Hoeth? you gonna think that 2300 or 2500 points are only of archmage with the book?

oh and btw i was mistaked with the word, is not pistoliers is handgunners: does it makes you happy now?

It sure does

Mainly because it shows that there are no warhammer amiers with only warmachines and no units how you have tried to prove.

Also remember that to use 3 organ guns you need to play at least 3000 points game because only then you can triple rare choices

I love this game! Are there any other happy posts?

Virgo said:

you mad