Is suicide a "no no" in the Empire? Do you get denied burial in a Garden of Morr?
Imperial Cult views on suicide?
Certainly not for troll slayers.
I'd think that suicide instead of defending the empire might be frowned upon, but I didn't see much else. Could try siggy's heirs on the entry on siggy and see if there are any tenets there.
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No, you do not get denied to be buried in the garden of Morr if you committ sucicide. Perhaps even a greater reason to bury such a hapless character within the garden of morr to prevent it to rise as a revenant. As countless of folkore tales tell a grim warning of suicide, haunting, curses and undeath. You get my drift.
Actual a character that was thought to be killed by suicide was buried in the Garden of Morr in TGS.
Thanks for answers.
The TGS situation was my reason for asking, whether that burial would be viewed with disdain or perhaps the Morrite priest had a dream in which an omen indicated "yes bury".
"honourable death against greater odds" for trollslayer etc. is not quite what most see as suicide, imho.
I was pondering a "since suicides may indicate taint of chaos, after all if you start mutating that's what you should do if you've any decency", the "witchhunter" view at least being "if we didn't get to burn them before they died, burn 'em afterwards" - suicides would be cremated as a rule as a "posthumous cleansing" - though families would want regular burial and lobby for it, priests would pray for omens etc. so not all would be cremated.
Could also depend on which cult "gets to you first". Sigmar's cult sends on to Garden of Morr those fit for burial and burns the rest etc.
valvorik said:
I was pondering a "since suicides may indicate taint of chaos, after all if you start mutating that's what you should do if you've any decency", the "witchhunter" view at least being "if we didn't get to burn them before they died, burn 'em afterwards" - suicides would be cremated as a rule as a "posthumous cleansing" - though families would want regular burial and lobby for it, priests would pray for omens etc. so not all would be cremated.
I love the fact that Chaos Corruption could mean a lot of things. Like madness culd be viewed as Chaos Corruption. But sometimes it just doesn't - probably because not every situation of madness is really Chaos inspired.
I'm not saying that Empire people only take as Chaos Corruption those cases where there is actual Chaos Corruption. Far from it. But the fact that Chaos is not a certain thing (and also the medieval mind is not a certain thing, and thus medieval reality is not a certain thing) influences the way people deal with each case day by day.
I would think suicide is just like madness (well, the way I deal with the perspectives about madness in my games). There shouldn't be any written rule saying that suicide means Chaos influence (or there could bemore than one rule). As I've never find some description of any Empire God worshipping that says life is sacred and noe taking is own life is an heretical, I don't think suicide per se is viewed as a religious matter. But certainly that are situations in which someone has stated that a particular suicide was Chaos inspired, through Chaos-made madness, or trying to run from a mutated body. In those cases, I would expect the body to be cremated. In the case of a mutant, perhaps a Priest of Sigmar (or Shallya) would conduct heavy prayers for his soul, maybe understanding that if someone was mutated and commited suicide for it, some part of his mind must have remained pure.
I love the complexity of this world! :]
valvorik said:
Thanks for answers.
The TGS situation was my reason for asking, whether that burial would be viewed with disdain or perhaps the Morrite priest had a dream in which an omen indicated "yes bury".
"honourable death against greater odds" for trollslayer etc. is not quite what most see as suicide, imho.
I was pondering a "since suicides may indicate taint of chaos, after all if you start mutating that's what you should do if you've any decency", the "witchhunter" view at least being "if we didn't get to burn them before they died, burn 'em afterwards" - suicides would be cremated as a rule as a "posthumous cleansing" - though families would want regular burial and lobby for it, priests would pray for omens etc. so not all would be cremated.
Could also depend on which cult "gets to you first". Sigmar's cult sends on to Garden of Morr those fit for burial and burns the rest etc.
in essence a trollslayer is on a quest to commit suicide...But granted not very glorious to fall into a well and drown.
Again the issue of Suicide in the Old world could be a sign of chaos, but it could also indicate deep grief, a mental disease or even guilt. In a world like warhammer, suicide would be as common as in real world (or even more). And every incident would be investigated individually. For a Witch-hunter it would be advicable, I assume to investigate any rumours about suicide, since that could be a sign of chaos taint.
What you say about suicides would be cremated as a rule, why not? There is great variety when it comes to practice and whorship within the cults and even the same cult. How the sermonies and practices is among Morrite priests in Reikland will be quite different from how morrite priests in Middenheim would perform them. the different cults of the Empire do not have a standarized version of their practices and rituals. So it can variate hugely even within the same province. Use this local flavour for what its worth.
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