So, I was thinking of this power after reading it and it occurred to me that this power has a very good chance of just continuing to grow forever into essentially another Eye of Terror. Why would anyone ever be allowed to use this???

Granted there is a 16% chance it winks out of existance in 2 rounds. There is also a 4% chance that after 2 rounds it is 6m in diameter. After that, odds are it is going to keep growing to infinity. Overall for each round it has a 40% chance of shinking 1m, 40% to grow 1m, and 20% to grow 2m. So it has a 60% chance to grow and a 40% to shrink, this means if it can get to a reasonable size it will almost certainly grow to infinity.

Am I thinking about this wrong???

It does take a rank 5 librarian to do this, but they can do it every round as a full action if they want. Is the power broken or working as intended?

Don't have the book with me but, doesn't the psyker have to sustain the power?

Unsustained and no control over it after doing it.

Um... yup, RAW, you're completely right. There should either be a higher chance of the vortex growing smaller rather than larger or a maximum time after which it vanishes. The way it is now... well, say hello to the next daemon world...

Don't you love how unstable psykers are?

I'm assuming that the Phenomena/Perils table is the same (or similar) in Deathwatch, and that everything from no gravity to mass possession is possible?

BYE

I'm assuming that the Phenomena/Perils table is the same (or similar) in Deathwatch, and that everything from no gravity to mass possession is possible?

Well... they don't get Daemonhosts and there don't seem to be any numbers that result in possession of anyone. However, Librarians can summon full-on Daemon Princes on a perils 90-99 instead. I'm not quite sure whether that's an advantage...

Oh, and there's also a Perils result that evokes a Vortex Of Doom, though funnily enough, that one is limited to 1d5 rounds.

Piggy backing on this one, but I for one I'm extremely impressed at the power level of psychers here...

Take Smite for example...

A starting psycher can deal D10X3 Pen3 attack in a 6 meter radius with this as Unfettered power. That in itself is pretty **** good, that's a Blast (6) isn't it?

But it goes downright crazy if he decides to push... it can go to D10X6 Pen 6 in a 12 meter radius... assuming your average roll of of 6, this mean 36 damage to everything in the 12 meter radius... That's 26 wound to your 'average' Toughness 4X + Power Armor Marine (or a chaos marine in the back of the book).... in a huge area.

And that's a starting Psycher... when he gets higher psy rating (Emperor forbid at rank 8 and psy rating 10!) it just gets downright insane. Said Psycher can effectively one shot a Daemon Prince if he pushes his power and rolls 7 or more on his damage roll...

Tarkand said:

The risk, of course, is that you're pushing the power and are likely to suffer some unpleasant consequences. It also means you're within a fairly short distance (with a power that gets more difficult to use over long ranges) of a creature with Fear 4, which means that if you're in Solo Mode, that's -40 WP, or if you're in Squad Mode, that's a WP test for the squad leader or lose 4 Cohesion... and that's before the penalty for the Aura of Despair and Death.

And there's nothing saying that the Daemon Prince can't be a psyker too...

Tarkand said:

Take a alook at the Storm Warden's major power...

Alex

ak-73 said:

Don't have the book yet... what is it?

Hammerer of the Emporer. (Can't take it as a starting PC though.) If you decide to push it then, it does like 18D10 damage to buildings structures in a 600 meters radius. Otherwise "only" 9D10 in a 300 meter radius. (And at Rank 5 you're guaranteed to have a higher Psy Rating than the starting Rating of 3 I assumed here which increases the damage a lot).

Not an anti-personnel weapon but the devastation it can do is... impressive. (At GM's discretion it does 3D10 against people who get hit by debris, etc. In the whole area of effect. Talk about re-designing a xeno settlement.)

I'll give you two other hi-lights:

Blood Angels (I find they rock in this game, btw) and their Blood Boil: superheating an enemies blood and doing something between 1D10+6 and 1D10+20 against an enemey, not reduced by AP nor T. The "fun" part is that if the target gets killed, it explodes in a shower of blood causing damage on by-standers. BA's are totally cruel. The only thing I have to criticize here and which should be considered for an errata (even if it means making the power more expensive) is that this event should have a Fear Rating for the opponents.

Also love Space Wolves' Fury of the Wolf Spirits - you can conjure the ghosts of Leman Russ' wolves - Freki and Geri. Freki does more damage (like multiple d10) while Geri does multiple D5 but with a Pen like between 10 and 30? Each round. For as long as the librarian expends a half action to sustain it. Again no Fear rating though.

Alex

Sounds cool.

Would be very effective if the enemy was standing on top of the building...

@ak-73

I don't think there needs to be a specific fear rating for a power - looking at the stuff that gives a fear check in DH and RT (I'd have to see whether they brought over the table to DW), many of the high level powers should probably induce a fear check or give certain enemies pause without a check.

Tarkand said:

It's a three meter radius, and the maximum area that it can possibly effect (reasnably anyway) is thirteen meters, with 130 meter range, it's still great though.

As for Hammer of the Emperor, I'm not sure how building damage is worked out you might need 18D10 to have a good chance of destroying a building.

And with most damage dealing powers opposed, hurting a daemon prince with a lot of things is a lot harder (even more so with fear 4 and Aura of Dispair and Death)

N0-1_H3r3 said:

Well, that was one example.

But if it can one shot a Daemon Prince (And it can) what do you think it will do to everything else ?

Remember, even as a starting character, it does have a 6 meter radius when pushed, it's not exactly easy to avoid.

And Somvone, the range isn't even all that short either. Bolter only have a 100m (So at high enough level, Smite actually has a better range) and I'm ready to bet most Deathwatch fight are about close quater-city fights, not sniper duels.

And that's just one power anyway, look at Hellfire in the Dark Angel power, which does similar damage but also happens to have insane range.

The point I wanted to make anyway wasn't that Libririan can one shot Deamon Prince, but that Librarian are disgustingly powerful.

I don't want to cry wolf before actually seeing it in play, but they seem to make the other Marines look like chump from a preliminary glance.

Tarkand said:

While you are probably correct that most Librarians aint going to be doing much sniping a Bolter range of 100m means that it can be used up to 400m away (extreme) more if certain ammunition types are used. As far as I am aware, the psychic power range is absolute and cannot be used at long/extreme as a normal ranged weapon would.

Khouri said:

Smite specifically can, but the Focus Power test for it is modified as per range for guns, so if you're trying to use it at longer ranges, it becomes more difficult to successfully manifest.