This plot here to be included in the now imminent Kings of the Storm deluxe expansion seems to be an answer to the shadow mechanic.
A (delayed) Valar Morghulis for the shadows like some posters have be clamoring for.
Finally a true anti-shadow card (the King's Law plot)
Would it be possible to bring a non-neutral card out of shadows by kneeling Fiefdoms (or some other discount location) to reduce the cost to 0? Or is bringing a card out of shadows not considered "playing" it? Regardless, the ability to wipe out almost all, if not all cards in shadows is great.
Funny: I finally built my first shadows deck and ran it last night.
It worked, but I guess it won't work for long.
Yowza. The Knight of Flowers and Robert Baratheon that need there to be no cards in Shadows just got that much better.
And to a lesser extent, Sansa Stark (KL edition) as well.
That is a beautiful thing. Its not the death knell to shadows decks - its a one turn effect - but it will DEFINTELY make the decision tree more difficult for Shadows players and decks in the design phase.
I like it.
Great card design. I really like that there´s finally a way to remove cards from the shadows. And like others said before, it won´t kill the whole shadow strategy, it just makes too extensive shadow builds a little bit more risky.
I also think that lineage and legacy is a very interesting plot, it looks like as if there might be two other plots with a similiar wording for military and intrigue challenges.
Tomdidiot said:
Would it be possible to bring a non-neutral card out of shadows by kneeling Fiefdoms (or some other discount location) to reduce the cost to 0? Or is bringing a card out of shadows not considered "playing" it?
That's right, bringing a card out of Shadows is not considered "playing". Moreover, it's impossible to kneel a reducer before bringing a card out of Shadows, since you bring it at the beggining of the phase.
Old Ben
said:
it looks like as if there might be two other plots with a similiar wording for military and intrigue challenges.
Something like "A player canot initiate an intrigue challenge unless he has won a military challenge"? I don't believe untill I see it.
To bad the card doesn't work against this frikkin Venomous Blade.
Putting cards that cost s1 or more into Shadow during the setup phase might become a very bad idea.
Jekothalep said:
To bad the card doesn't work against this frikkin Venomous Blade.
Putting cards that cost s1 or more into Shadow during the setup phase might become a very bad idea.
I wouldn't say that. Despite having high initiative this card won't make every deck. Plot selection is very important. Unless your deck demands that there be no cards in the Shadows, there are many other much more attractive plots to run instead.
~What's wrong with VB?
Putting 1 card into shadows during setup is a small risk that one can take I guess, but I'll definately think twice before I place two cards into shadows during setup, especially if both are s1 or more.
FATMOUSE said:
~What's wrong with VB?
Other than being utterly devastating against my little, poor, innocent 2 STR Asshai characters and Maester Cressen? Nothing at all...
~And I was hoping it would be called Valar MorShadowLess...
At first glance I would say the plot is too powerful against Shadows. I would have preferred a card, not essentially a plot, that would have "frozen" cards in shadow. Actually I liked the immunity of cards in shadows vs. Valar and Wildfire.
mischraum.de said:
At first glance I would say the plot is too powerful against Shadows. I would have preferred a card, not essentially a plot, that would have "frozen" cards in shadow. Actually I liked the immunity of cards in shadows vs. Valar and Wildfire.
Well at least we also get Forgotten Plans back so a Shadows deck could hypothetically protect itself against this card
Then there is also the Bara card Sister of Truth who is character based Shadows hate
mischraum.de said:
At first glance I would say the plot is too powerful against Shadows. I would have preferred a card, not essentially a plot, that would have "frozen" cards in shadow. Actually I liked the immunity of cards in shadows vs. Valar and Wildfire.
too powerful??? it just places a premium on s0's, but there all ready was one. and it makes there be a slight risk in having something like varys or tyrion just sit safely in shadows until the perfect moment. plus it is only once every 7 turns and has a very small window.
I'm not convinced people are going to start slotting this card in their plot decks in order to "shut down" other shadows decks. For one, your dedicating a plot selection to shutting down one deck type that you may, or may not see. There are more useful things to do with plots IMHO. For two, I just don't think this plot would slow down a shadows deck anyway. Sure, if I'm playing shadows it makes me think a bit more (perhaps it's best if I don't throw 5 cards in shadows?), but unless I'm running Tunnels, no one ever really needs to overload shadows with as many cards as possible.
What this plot does do, is it adds some umph to those cards that are awesome when there are no cards in shadows (ie, Robert, KoF). But even then, if you're playing against a shadows deck, your opponent should be able to put cards back in shadows the next round.
Deathjester26 said:
I just don't think this plot would slow down a shadows deck anyway.
mmm..I think that it could be a serious issue for shadows decks running the Agenda and playing OOH cards.
I mean, venomous blade is easily brought out of shadows w/ a Martell deck before this plot strikes, but it is 1gold for "city of shadows" players, so..
And trying to keep Arya or Queen of thorns will become more dangerous!
Finally, my point is you're right for in house shadows cards or 0cost neutrals. Just a little pain in the neck!
But i'm pretty sure this is the end of City of Shadows use... for now.
I think it's better against a Targ shadow burn deck, most other shadow decks don't need that many cards in shadows at a time. It may become more like Black Walder, where the mere presence in the environment alters people desire to play shadows.