A two-part question, when the Dark Angels are seconded to the Deathwatch, Are they normally Chapter Veterans (And Inner Circle), or are they just normal Dark Angels, I.E. not in the Inner circle. Also, if they are in the Inner Circle or are Chapter Veterans, Do they wear their robes? (I ask as I have a robed model who has a pair of Lightning Claws taken from a Chaos Terminator and I would wish to use him also, I call him Brother Huggy as the claws are on the model in the manner of someone going to give a hug )

You'll be happy to know that "Robes" are a Dark Angels chapter trapping option at creation. So you will be just fine.

Lightning claws on the other hand require higher renown so aren't something you can start with.

As far as the Inner Circle, most would not be. There are some circumstances that would dictate this however. One being if you were a Librarian, since they are all members of the IC. Otherwise you would have to work something into your back story to fit this, since you are typically just a "normal" marine.

That said, my group has a DA Librarian in it so I actually allowed him to purchase Forbidden Lore (Dark Angels) with some of his starting XP to make it fit better with him being a low member of the IC.

Thank you for the answer.

I was thinking of playing as a DA Apothecary (IIRC, they are in the inner circle from the beginning). I guess the TLC will have to wait until someone gets enough renown to use it Goo DA Librarians, Hope they still have the hellfire power (2d6-2 st, d6 AP)

Hellfire is indeed a Dark Angels psychic power.

excellent... *new Ideas for hunting the fallen pop into Aenir's head*

muah ha ha

I was thinking of running an adventure (if there are Dark Angels in the party) where a member of the <Censored by the Inner Circle> is spotted, does the party member go for the honor of the chapter, or stick with the kill-team (Not that innovative, I know)

You a follower of the Lion? Or just one of the fortunate who was able to make it to Indiana?

I received our playtest groups copy of the rulebook in return for doing a review of it for the Bolter & Chainsword. I tried to have a friend snag an extra copy at GenCon for me but he wasn't able to sadly. Wish I could get my hands on the GM Kit now...

I've never been a huge fan of DA to be honest. Never disliked them, but never really got into them. I had to do some research for the DA player in my group recently so its fresh in my mind is all.

And I got my copy from FFG too, and as soon as I've finished my work from my first week back at university for my second post-grad, I'll be writing up a review of it for Dark Reign and the FFG forum (I'll probably post it on rpg.net too).

I quite like the Dark Angels, they're pretty interesting, but I prefer the Blood Angels. Something about Venetian/Italian masks and artistic sensibilities, noble looking Marines and a hidden curse just appeals to me. The Storm Wardens in Deathwatch are pretty cool too.

kenshin138 said:

@ Efi, I hate youuuuuuuuuu

*Recites the Litanies of Hate*

@Millandson, you too!!

Blood Angels? bah! An Inferior form of Angels if I ever saw one... at least WE dont sparkle!

What is up with Storm Wardens? Ive seen their armor, but thats about it...

The Storm Wardens are basically Scotsmen in space. They are kind of a mishmash of traits, characteristics, and history. They have more of a feel of a "gamer" chapter than an actual, fleshed out storyline chapter. This comes from the fact that they seems to be great at everything (shooting, melee, mobile combat, owning claymores, wearing kilts), but don't have any significant drawbacks. I know the chapter was represented (and possibly created) as part of a charity, so I don't hold too much against them being put in the book. I still would have preferred the Imperial Fists, Iron Hands, or Raven Guard in their place. But, that is what supplements are for.

The Broasted said:

hmm reading that, I think I am aware of ONE potential Drawback....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKfAb0CC8_I

plus the whole, nothing under the kilt, might get a bit drafty

The Broasted said:

Your joking? right? no? Well on the plus side we Scots finally get an official chapter based on us, on the downside however it means without a doubt i'll be GMing to a group with someone putting on a horrible exagerated thick Scots accent akin to that cliche'd video above.

Back on topic though to develop said spotting the fallen idea I can imagine an adventure involving a diplomatic mission to a Tau world/outpost where the party spots some humans living with them (gue'vesa is the term I believe) but one of them looks somewhat bulkier than the others, almost a giant among them...

Personally, I'd actually say that the Storm Wardens are more Celtic in general than specifically Scottish (remember, Scotland's not the only area of the UK, or even of Europe, to use kilts or tartan culturally), but that's just me. I generally quite like their write-up, seems sufficiently different from the other Chapters included to not be overshadowed by them.

@Darkshroud, I apologize If I offended you, I was just being silly. I am not quite sure what to make of the Storm Wardens chapter and wanted to get a laugh there.

I will agree with Milland that no one will confuse this chapter with any others

Don't worry, no offence taken. I actually used to watch Whose Line is it Anyway a lot (well the UK one with Clive Anderson). I can make fun of my own culture like anyone else

And yes quite right about the kilts Millandson. Have to say I'll really looking forward to reading about them now when the book arrives.

Since its come up, here is the review that I did for the book:

++EDIT: I have no idea how to have my link have a friendly name...

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nice review *high five*

makes me want the book EVEN MORE!!!

kenshin138 said:

Thanks for the review, I found your remarks about the Tactical Marine especially interesting. Good job.

Alex

Aenir said:

I was thinking of running an adventure (if there are Dark Angels in the party) where a member of the <Censored by the Inner Circle> is spotted, does the party member go for the honor of the chapter, or stick with the kill-team (Not that innovative, I know)

I can see the gears working there, but honestly I think the Inner Circle would order marines seconded to the Deathwatch to suspend the hunt for the fallen as long as it would interfere with their mission.

They may be able to get away with being contrary little bastards when it comes to coordinating with other Imperial forces any other time, such as in the case of the Siege of Vraks or the 13th Black Crusade, but in the case of the Deathwatch not only is the Dark Angel likely to be on his own, but membership is a big matter of honour. And running off in the middle of a mission is exactly the sort of thing that is going to reflect very badly on the Marine in question, and his Chapter. If he survived it, I could very much see the Deathwatch shipping him back home in disgrace.

So they probably just relay any information they come up with back to their Chapter. Because even if a kill-team managed to capture one of the Fallen, he's the prisoner of the Deathwatch, who may not just hand them over to the Dark Angels.

I know there is no chaplain class as of right now, but I was wondering, if I were to create one (or Int. Chaplain) for a DA party member, how would you guys look upon that character capturing one of the fallen and torturing him as part of "Deathwatch" Activity?

kenshin138 said:

*COUGH* Templars aren't a founding chapter *COUGH*

PlasmaBomb said:

Errr WHOOPS...good catch.

I edited the review, not sure what I was thinking there.

kenshin138 said:

No worries mate. We'll just chalk that one down as 'giddy with excitement'.

OK, here is my view of how the DA would act, if they caught a wiff of the <Censored> they would immediately send word to the inner circle of their respective chapter, in case of successors, Their Grand Master and Master of Chaplains would review the circumstances of the Event, whatever it may be (IE a sighting, spoken word or interrogation), they would then send the Deathwatch DA directions on what to do, which could include but are not limited to, Sending in a DA killteam to capture him, a full battle barge (both from Sons of Fenris). They could have the marine try and capture him on his lonesome, i doubt however that the Deathwatch marine would interrogate the <Censored> alone, even if he was an interrogator. They simply do not do that alone, the DA use both Interrogator-Chaplains and Librarians, as is seen in Angels of Darkness.

Also IMHO i think the DA would send off DW marines to the Deathwatch a goodly portion of the time, it is a way to spread their net of information and contacts.

Another note, i am pretty sure that Apothecaries are not always in the DW, as is the case, again, from Angels of Darkness. Nestor, their apothecary is around 600 i believe and he is not yet a member of the DW.

These are just my thoughts, if anyone has anything to add please do also, WTF does IIRC mean? i really have no idea...

Hesporos said:

Related question: which means would a rookie (in the Deathwatch) DA marine have available to send the message to his home chapter? Much contact do they still have in general?

Alex

I would think so, they may be a rookie but they still are marines, they are not cut off i would imagine, they could very easily get a message out i would think.