Peacekeeper_b said:

I think so too. And Disciples of the Dark Gods is a great RT supplement.

Oi oi gentlegents and ladies!

Well I don’t really want to get into an argument here but some points on points are in order since my post seemingly provoked a comment or two,, firstly,, spellchecking and grammar is a form semantic abuse!,, as for what a decent dm can do without,, well, speaking for myselves I can honestly say that I do best with as little time as possible spent on metaic rule design,, that is, I’m very economically oriented with the time I spend on having a good time roleplaying with my friends, I don’t want to use it thinking up rules for spacecombat or magick systems etc etc I’d rather leave that for the FFG’s of the world,, likewise when I go to see a movie I don’t want to waste time getting to know how a projector works or who made the popkhorne! As for moneygrabbin’ and cynicism,, Well, ‘till they put Mickey Mouse on the dollar bills I’ll uphold my cynical demeanour! People requesting books on planets and stuff are people who are probably short on money and can’t afford what I’m aiming at and hence make do with an inferior product,, can’t really blame them, but I’ve got the cash and I want the best of the best of the bestest!! From a FFG view it is easy to see where the steady cashflow lies waiting,, rulebook/playersguide/shipguide,, punctuating this release line with adventures and gazetters is a no-brainer from a financial point of view but that still doesn’t make it less sucky!! Please get me right here, I’m in awe at the quality of the products and all the work that has gone into writing and cummin’ up with this stuff, but I’m also extremely impatient and wish to get the “best” campaign rollin’ soner than later,, get it? Anywho,, cheers mates,, keep up the good work,, nothing ever changes,, I hope they pay you good money to work this message board

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Peacekeeper_b said:

They proved you wrong. Did you apologize?

Wodan said:

Uhmmm what? Unless I missed something, Edge of the Abyss (which this thread is about) is still not out yet.

So no, but thanks for playing.

Will you apologize if it comes out as promised? How long does fall last and winter being anyways? If they are up in Minnesota, then it wont be too long before winter sets in, so lets see what happens!

Woah Woah guys. This seems to be a repeat of the other thread where some people seem to be complaining about there not being enough material for necrons/tau/tyranids in the material so far...seriously.

Now while I admit being more 'sandbox type' and would prefer battlefleet Koronus to be out before the edge of the Abyss , Im still preapared to wait. Not everything has to be totally rules driven for flexibility and if a mark of a good GM is not having a sourcebook then get to it. If you feel that a rule aspect is missing or there is a grey area and you have a cool idea for a ship/equipment/character/mechanic then house rule it, stick it on the GM board threads and you never know FFG if they like your idea enough may take aspect of it in the game.

Now while I was looking forward to into the storm over lure of the expanse, (because on the whole I prefer making my whole adventures), there is a plethora of ideas that you can adapt from these sourcebooks for your own games.

I would love a better random system generator system than I got in the GM kit. Am I gonna get it in the one supplement that deals with the expanse? Probabaly not. I would love an expanded rogue trader xenos generator rather than using the DH Gm kit. Im not going to get that either. No. Annoying? Yes! Big deal?

No!!

I just create my own or use one of the ones so nicely created by others. I just dont get this GM lazyness where everything HAS to be fed on a spoon. What happened to imagination or initiative?

(on another note I wish they would sort out the 'how many lighter landers are on my ship' .Freelance Rule tester/fluff guys! Try and twist Sam Stuart's ear on this. I know its gonna be hard to pin down especially if you have to get the likes of GW Alan Merrit involved. Personally I try and come to the compromise on 'a rule of thumb' on this and house rule it but even in my last session it was causing heated discussion. There has to be a paragraph on this in Battlefleet Koronus. Even if its vague.Unfortunetly landing on a planet becomes a big aspect of the game as well as how many men you can land and how many tons of loot you can loot.)

Good lord...what's with all the D-bags crawling out of the woodwork lately to ***** about Rogue Trader? Sheeh....

I have no idea. People should be happy that the books are popping out as quick as they are. I can recall a time, back when Dinosaurs ruled the Earth, when it took a year in between new releases; now we are seeing new stuff every two months or so. Also, cranking out new stuff for 3 RPG lines is pretty impressive too. I am not kissing anyones ass, I am just saying it is cool to have new stuff all the time.

Grand Inquisitor Fulminarex said:

What do you consider apologizing? Me saying "Im sorry." Or me saying "Hmm I was wrong, it came out on time."

Because Im not going to say Im sorry for stating that I doubt it comes out on time, that is based purely on prior experiences. But I will admit I was wrong if it does come out in the fall. Which technically, as standard seasons go, ends 21 or 22 December, which is plenty of time.

And normally my apologies come in the form of buying any and every book released for the three 40K games.

And as I said previously, I hope to god they prove me wrong.

Deadline247 said:

Well I dont think its right to call people Dbags because they dislike Rogue Trader. However, some of thier reasons are shallow or odd. It isnt my favorite, but it is a good game overall.

Peacekeeper_b said:

There are plenty of RPGs in this world that I can't stand, but I don't waste my time posting on their official message boards.

Fulminarex , I can only hope Quick does not translate into 'rushed'. Most of my issues with Rogue trader just seem to be things that probubly happend because someone just didn't look at it long enough after writing it to go ".....Oh crap *Backspace, typeatee type-type* There we are!"

Although I'm probably one of the biggest Dream Pod 9 fans left in Edmonton, and they are notoriously bad for glaring editing errors and lack of examples for game rules with some of their products. Core Command, I'm looking at 'you'. *Points the finger of accusation*

TK-4117 said:

Something seems missing here. Or is this particular example not deserving of the voice of derision?

But, on topic - So far I've only been a little displeased when the release dates slip. The physical quality of the various books is quite high. Some better examples and maybe a second proof reader for fresh eyes on things might be helpful in the "crunch" department. FFG does take pride in their product, but they are still only human.

Even with schedule slips it has been hard for me to keep up if some unexpected expense comes my way.

-=Brother Praetus=-

Why is this book prioritised over Battlefleet Koronus or the Xeno Compendium?

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signoftheserpent said:

Because presumably:

1) Balancing and writing xenos creatures/races/etc takes a while to do;

2) Writing and balancing starships, weapons, and other stuff takes a while to do;

3) Writing information mostly about factions, planets, etc, does not require as much balancing and testing;

4) Having planets to visit and exploit is more important than having more ways of arriving there and blowing it up.

Also, they're sort of following the same release plan as Dark Heresy. For Dark Heresy, after Inquisitor's Handbook (Into the Storm for Rogue Trader) they released Disciples of the Dark Gods (which would be Edge of the Abyss for Rogue Trader).

MILLANDSON said:

It will take a lot less time if you don't then decide to write other books at the same time.

Really this is a non-excuse. It's a matter of simple priority.

signoftheserpent said:

"Simple priority"? For who? I mean, lots of people here have said they want more info on Koronus before they get new rules for ships, because whilst the ships are important to Rogue Trader, having places to go to is more important than what shape block of metal you get there in.

So, please enlighten us as to why it's "simple" to decide that we need more space ships (considering there were a bunch of new hulls in Into the Storm) before we need fleshed out areas, planets, factions, and major NPCs of the Koronus Expanse?

It's only a matter of "simple priority" if you think Battlefleet Koronus is more important, which is hardly a universal belief here on the forums, not to mention the greater community.

signoftheserpent said:

Well, it's a good job that we only write one book at a time, then; Edge of the Abyss was written after Into the Storm but before Battlefleet Koronus, so consequently that is the order in which they will be released.

signoftheserpent said:

Yes, it is. Fantasy Flight Games have decided that a setting book takes priority in the release schedule over a book on starships, hence the order in which they were developed.

What you consider to be a priority is not indicative of anything except your opinion, which is not shared by everyone.

N0-1_H3r3 said:

Again, why is Edge considered more important than Battlefleet? I'm fully aware that people disagree, I can see that for myself. It doesn't tell me why the former is more important as a project than the latter. Especially to people that have taken the time on here to counsel, quite aggressively, that people who share my opinion should make up their own stuff. If that's the tack you wish to take then why do you want Edge to come out first. I have no problem with them writing such a book, only the prioritsation of projects.

signoftheserpent said:

Wait until it's closer to release and we see previews. At that point you'll see articles pop up where the FFG guys express a bit of the "why's" that went into the product. If their answers don't satisfy you, then you're on your own - they really have no need to explain what they produce, and if you agree or disagree with them you can show it with your purchasing or not purchasing of the product.

PLEASE stop feeding the troll!

HappyDaze said:

I find it extraordinary FFG are making decisions like this. They seem to lack a basic grasp of 40k, it's canon, and what their games are about. RT involves starship travel and combat. The core book provided as little as possible in this area. Why on earth would you marginalise a supplement covering this area?

signoftheserpent said:

Yeah, thanks for that. I love being the target of snide comments and seeing people I've worked with and respect insulted.

Rogue Trader includes, but does not consist entirely of, starship travel and combat. As a game where the subject matter is exploration, starships and combat (whether aboard starships or not) are a single facet of what the game is all about.

Beyond that, I fail to see how producing a 144 page sourcebook about a subject is marginalising it. It might not be due out as soon as you'd like, but that doesn't mean the subject has been ignored... it just means that there are other subjects to cover as well, which are arguably just as important as starships, and a necessary decision has been made as to the order in which those subjects are covered. Disagreeing with decisions already made, by being loud and abrasive towards people who didn't actually make those decisions, is a waste of effort.

And on that note, this will be my last response to any post you make; it's a waste of my effort to respond to your messages.