Anyone happen to know any banishment spells, so that we can get rid of these threads once and for all?

BYE

Silly board software.

The Deathwatch Core Rulebook states that the Modifications and Enhancements of all of the Implants only work in the Male human body. Your loophole has been closed. Carry on.

Priam said:

In what sense has it closed?

Alex

Atheosis said:

Seemingly not. I like to look at these threads as fertile ground for GW or anyone else with the ability to take the dubious step of "making it official." I can certainly understand your sentiment, though, and I feel similarly about those "have you seen it/got it/aren't I awesome because of it" threads.

I used to have a file on my computer that had a list of "stock answer" to all the threads that we see repeating (read: most if not all of them) but that took the fun out of trying to remember the same 'ole reply in the hopes that an "imperfect" response would lead to interesting new grounds. Of course, now in my limited "burnout" and considering bringing back that file...

Kage

See, though, for a few of us this is the first time we even bothered responding - so it is somewhat new in which talking heads are doing the ... well ... talking.

As the thread is still going on, I'd say that there is not another topic that would be more interesting. Same as it ever was.

Making female SMs official would not necessarily be bowing to PCness, though.

If there are enough potential customers who don't buy a product because of something they don't like about it most businesses will change said product so as to increase profits. Because, at the end of the day, that is why a company is in business in the first place...PROFIT. They have to weigh how many new people will buy versus the real misogynists who wouldn't buy...at least in the case of anything to do with SMs.

Companies tell us that they want to make the world a better place, more red, or blue, or whatever we want to hear so that we buy their stuff, not because they really care what we thinkunless it has to do with us buying more stuff, of course. If a company makes profit, they are in it for one thing...PROFIT.

I'm not saying that companies making profit is a bad thing, either. I'm just reminding everyone why this company is in business, and it is not necessarily to protect the maleness of SMs!

Jack of Tears said:

Oh, I get that. That's why I stop by and read every now and again—hoping for the occasional diamond in the rough.

Edit : The crappy forum software strikes again. Seemingly if someone else replies in between you clicking "Reply" and "Publish," it inserts the entire quote again. Silly software.

Kage

Eponral said:

Yep, but I don't have to like a product just because a bunch of folks need the money to stay in business because they have decided that they wanted to make their hobby an on-going enterprise. Thus my discarding of Shadowrun over its timeline.

And personally I'd like to see more awareness on the customer side of how the RPG Industry markets designs and markets products just to stay in business.

Alex

.................BROTHERhood...............................

ak-73 said:

I do the same for the 40k RPG product line, though not for the timeline just the... everything else.

Approaches and opinions are great.

Kage

Eponral said:

Fortunately, I think GW realizes they would lose a lot more people by introducing female marines than they would gain.

Honestly, I doubt a game about playing Space Marines of all things was ever intended to be marketed toward women and of the few women interested in such a thing I imagine it is the minority of them - you know, both of them - that are calling for female Space Marines.

Really Kage? You think GW is watching threads like this, and will be inspired to change the fluff to allow female Marines because of them? I thought you had more sense than that.

It is a minority Jack. I can count on one hand the number of women in my area that play 40K or Fantasy, not for lack of trying from the guys at the local GW store.

And to others, making female Marines isn't too **** likely to increase their profits by great amounts, and its quite niave to think so. And Eponral specifically, I really don't like your implication that people against female Space Marines are misogynists. And if you didn't mean it like that, then don't throw the ******* word around. Because I sure as hell am not going to tolerate being called that, a chauvanist, or anything else, just because I like the fluff the way it's written!

Blood Pact said:

He merely said they were "fertile ground". If they wanted to, they could find inspiration on how to do it here. I don't think he said he expected them to.

Alex

The thing is like it or not the 40k minis and RPGs are directed towards a male audience. Too ask for female space marines and push so hard for this to be accepted is what is creating a backlash. It would be like saying Barbies should cater to the male audience by adding Barbie with guns and weapons or G.I Joe should be more feminine THEN keep pushing this. If you just let it go and deal with it on a case to case basis as individual GM's and fellow players rather than push for an equal yet different female version of X, Y, and Z on a public forum and expect to not come off as trollbait.

Canon states all Space Marines are male, just like all Sisters of Battle are female. For the Space Marines it's because the genetic augmentations only work on males. Whether this is because of male hormones such as XY or level of testosterone naturally running through a male compared to a female or w/e. Sisters are all female due to the ruling that Ecclesiarchy can not have Men under arms and Adepta Sororitas are all women thus the loophole, this was allowed to pass due to the need for Ecclesiarchy to protect itself. Now if you don't like what's canon, that's ok, however to push a house rule for a minority of a minority of players and demanding GW/FFG take notice is just trolling to the extreme. Honestly, if you have a female gamer in your group and she insist on playing a female character and the group is about to run Deathwatch, I would talk to the player and try to reason with her. If you are willing to change something like this, I would have the entire group vote and see if it's ok with the group instead the individual.

This whole Female Space Marines debate and those who support and deride it are like the furries who try to cram their sh*tty, perverted fandom into every ******* facet of life.

Knock that **** off, all of you! Do you really want to be like the furries? Do you?

What's next out of you people? Islamic Marines so the tiny, tiny Islamic gamer community can feel all fuzzy and safe and included?

...I may be opening a can of worms here.

Zamnil Blackaxe said:

Blood Pact said:

I was trying to be funny about the people who get REALLY bent on the subject. Didn't realize you were so sensative. My apologies. The whole thing was supposed to be a little sarcastic thing just to help keep another one of these stupid threads in business. But I think they are stupid not because of the subject, but because of the direction they always end up going.

As I said elsewhere, I would personally not allow female SMs, I just wouldn't bash someone who wants to. I think anyone who chooses to do so knows that it is not canon and it goes against the fluff. They just don't care, and I don't care that they don't care. If the people who do want to allow female SMs want to discuss how they are going to make it happen in their games I think they should be able to have their threads without those who are not interested in that approach jumping all over them.

If in my game I want SM armor to have AP 4, and guard flak to have AP 10 I should be able to discuss it with others who might share my opion without the hate and anger. Yes, I'm sure no one would share that opion, but if they did...

Again, if you don't like the show change the channel. Don't try to get the show taken off the air and ruin it for those who want to watch. I like the fluff as written as well, but don't hate on those who don't.

To be honest you can call me what you want, just stop for the throne of terra's sake trying to make them cannon, its your game, run with it just don't try and ram it down our throats please, enough.

I wouldn't be " sensitive " if people hadn't been throwing around accusations of chauvanism in previous threads, and were serious about it.

I do agree that these threads are stupid though, and that if people want to make up female Marines for their home games they should go right ahead and do so, no harm, no foul. It's changing the fluff to accomidate the option that I'm against, especially because there are plenty of options to include female characters in a Deathwatch game somehow.

I wish i were a moderator and could ban any thread that had Female and Space Marines in the same sentence.... and it is a nice signature HBMC

Hesporos said:

You could just report any inflamatory posts, and then the FFG mods can deal with it.

Out of all the signatures I've seen on here so far, Cailieg's is my favourite.

Blood Pact said:

It's called trying to see the silver lining, Blood Pact. Otherwise you're just left with a thread with lots of whining little 20-odd year-old teenagers having hissy fits and bemoaning the sanctity of a setting in a passive version of sycophantic adulation. Since that obviously would not occur here I thought that by concentrating on the more positive aspects of repeating threads—that they represent certain aspects of the setting that are not really addressed in the various materials and which the fans would like to see addressed—it would be a way out of the resultant name calling and colourful language. Lot of good that did...

/Kage