The situation is: We have reached the monster limit on the board and then we draw a Mythos card with an effect that spawns monsters on the Downstreets/Upstreets or this good themed card in which the Maniacs escape from Arkham Assylum and three Maniacs are spawned on the board.Where will those monsters go?Do they respect the monster limit?

Hello MoonShadow,

- about the Mythos card I would say that it depends on the description on the card; does it mention that these new creatures of darkness do not count towards the monster limit, then they appear on the designated street or location; otherwise they count towards the monster limit - why else would it be mentioned differently on some, but not on all Mythos card?

- actually I don't remember this Arkham Encounter card that mentions the maniacs rushing out of the Arkham sanatory; but I would suggest the same as mentioned above: if the card mentions that the maniacs don't count towards the monster limit, they happily wreak havoc on the streets of Arkham; otherwise they will feast upon the bodies and souls of their poor victims in the outskirts.

(I start to realize that AH works very well with the basic rules; and all these Encounter Cards fit perfectly well into this system; and if some don't, they provide you with the exceptional rules.)

Ia! Ia!

Mad

Thanks again MaddockKrug!!!

Unless it says they dont count, they count. Yes this means sometimes you cannot complete the task the card sets. But who said Arkham had to be fair?

And yeah many situations can be resolved with a thorough understanding of the rules (and their intentions) but the designers are not perfect - see the long, long list of questions we want answered. Some of them have been there for many years now.

This is the phrasing on the card:

Mythos Ability: Collect up to 3 Maniacs, drawing them first from the monster cup, then from the Outskirts, then from those claimed as trophies. Place them all in the Downtown streets.

Investigators who defeat all 3 Maniacs before the end of next turn may draw 1 Exhibit Item. Leave this card in play until then to indicate this.

So yeah this could potentially funnel your trophies to the outskirts. This is a Dark Pharaoh card so it existed before a lot of the current rules existed and often they interact oddly with them, if I had to write a card similar to this one now I would say they were spawn monsters until the end of the turn then place any excess in the outskirts the next turn but the way it's phrased is pretty clear they follow the normal outskirts progression.

Hello again,

now things become interesting.

I have checked my Black Pharao set as well (haven't played it yet) and I have found the Mythos card.

Let me shed a different light on this card.

It could overrule the monster limit, because

a) on the one hand it allows to draw maniacs from the outskirts, if there are none available in the cup anymore, which may happen during a time, in which the horror limit has been reached, a-and

b) on the other,and imho more important hand it does not mention anything about swapping monsters and putting them into the outskirts as "exchange" for the maniacs.

Example: You have allready hit the monster limit; two monsters are in the outskirts, one of them is a maniac; you draw the Mythos card which is object to your request here. Therefore you find two maniacs in the cup and the third one in the outskirts. So you get the third one exactly from that place. Now you should place 'em all on the designated street, as you are ought to by the Mythos card. But since you already have hit the monster limit there, you would not place them on this designated location, but you would put all of them into the outskirts. And this is weird: Why should you be allowed to draw a card from the outskirts with running the risk to it there again?

That's why I suggest: There is no point actually in drawing one maniac from the outskirts at first in order to move all three of them into the outskirts again although you already have hit the monster limit. Also this would lead to an automatic fail of this rumor (, which may happen in Arkham, but which happens very, very seldomly in Arkham), which seems to me a bit too unfair to me. And if you approach it from the story-arc: Three maniacs are unbound in this street as a result of special circumstances (the rumors), which should overrule the basic rules in this given case.

So tbh, since now I know the card in question, I think it is not unlikely that the three maniacs don't count against the monster limit (as described and maybe explained in the example). This would make this special rumor equal to other rumors which explicitly mention such a ruling.

What's your opinion on this different approach?

Ia! Ia!

Mad

Actually, i ran into this same problem the other day as i just bought CotDP and was taking it for it's maiden voyage,

The card isn't actually a Rumor iirc, it's just a headline so there's no fail condition, only a bonus for clearing all three maniacs.

Considering that the only downside to NOT killing all was just more monsters (1 for us as 2 were in the outskirts already and we even made space for 2 more monsters in town that turn.) and NOT getting a free exhibit item, we ruled that the 3rd was shipped to the outskirts, seeing how 2 of the 3 mad men felt like terrorizing town while the last must have been 'called' to the outskirts by some force of insane origins.

Hello.

Thanks; here I was not very careful. News are rumors, therefore I keep to my very first statement and revoke my second one.

Ia! Ia!

Mad

Curse is well known for these, well, cursed confusions. There are many questions about it. We have learned some terrible truths though - such as the fact that all consequences of personally meeting Cthulhu in R'lyeh persist for the entire game...

Proto-FAQ:

Q: Escape from Arkham Asylum and Museum Haunted - What happens to these monsters if the condition is not met: do they stay on the board, go back to where they came from, go back to the cup? Do they count against the monster limit?
A: They stay on the board and count against the monster limit. Which means some monsters might not get placed on the board when the card is resolved.

This of course also applies to the Museum Haunted mythos card, that places two Ghosts on the board. But in that case you get an item for EACH Ghost defeated, so if one gets Outskirted, you can still collect some treasure.

Also, if you have some weird expansion item or effect, you may actually be able to defeat Outskirts monsters. Rare, but possible.