What bonuses will someone get on social and Influence rolls when dealing with a person/organisation for which their Peer talents can be said to be overlapping? This particularly comes into effect with the "Organisations and Factions" (Table 4.3) and "Social Groups" (Table 4.4) in Ascension. For example, if someone possesses both the Peer (Imperial Guard) and Peer (Military) and he's dealing with a member of the Imperial Guard, will the bonus be +10 or +20? What if the person in question is also a Hiver and Peer (Hivers) come into play - does the bonus increase to +30?

In general I also find it somewhat weird that the Peer talents for social groups cost the about the same as the same talents for Organisations. Peer (Military) seems like it would encompass both Adaptes Astartes, Imperial Guard and Imperial Navy for example (possibly not Astartes). Do you guys agree with this interpretation? This doesn't go for all social group Peer talents of course. Peer (Pilgrims) is pretty **** narrow for example.

Ah, one more question regarding two specific Peer talents - Peer (Inquisition) and Peer (Adeptus Astartes).

In Ascension, Peer (Ad. Astartes) states that the bonus applies to a specific charter. Same with Peer (Inq) - applies to one Ordo.

In Dark Heresy, there is no such description. How would you handle the discrepancy, if a player already possesses the talents from DH? Personally, I'd be inclined to retrospectively rule that the Ascension variant applies to the DH talents as well. Seems too unbalanced/weird that a player should pay that little XP for talents that are way better than their Ascension counterpart.

Nihilius said:

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Anyone?

I'd tempted to allow you stack but treat them as the same source for the maximum of +30 from any single source. I don't remember any ruling about it specifically.

As for the Peer (Inquisition) and Peer (AA) id say it warrents being limited to a specific group. The Inquisition and Astates groups seem to be distinct enough that being freind with one Chapter doesn't nescesarily mean you are known by all of them. Although in specific cases i might allow it for connected groups such as, although probably not appropriate for most campaigns, 3rd Armogeddon war veterans, Baddab veterans.

I think may also be appropriate to start splitting up other Peers too. Considering the scope Peer (Military) is a bit all pervasive, maybe even Peer (Imperial Guard) is too broad but you could easily think of it as Peer (Calixis Sector Imperial Guard Regiments), bit of a mouthful, but require a seperate one for Peer (Cadian IG) that might pass through the sector.

I'd tempted to allow you stack but treat them as the same source for the maximum of +30 from any single source. I don't remember any ruling about it specifically.

Yeah, this is basically what me and another player will be suggesting as well. Combinations are allowed, but only two, up to max +30 (if one/both talents are Good Rep).

As for the Peer (Inquisition) and Peer (AA) id say it warrents being limited to a specific group. The Inquisition and Astates groups seem to be distinct enough that being freind with one Chapter doesn't nescesarily mean you are known by all of them. Although in specific cases i might allow it for connected groups such as, although probably not appropriate for most campaigns, 3rd Armogeddon war veterans, Baddab veterans.

Agreed, and this is what we house ruled as well.

I think may also be appropriate to start splitting up other Peers too. Considering the scope Peer (Military) is a bit all pervasive, maybe even Peer (Imperial Guard) is too broad but you could easily think of it as Peer (Calixis Sector Imperial Guard Regiments), bit of a mouthful, but require a seperate one for Peer (Cadian IG) that might pass through the sector.

Agreed again. Peer (Military) is extremely broad. Hmhm. How about allowing the very broad Peer talents, such as Military, Hivers and Nobility, to only work for one subsector? So Peer (Military) would work for e.g. the Golgenna Reach. If so, a character with access to these talents should probably be able to take them for each subsection if so desired. In fact, I would argue such a solution for all "social groups" (page 112 of Ascension) Talents.

Edit: italicized the quoted parts since this editor isn't exactly friendly when it comes to splitting up quotes...

I find it strange that there is both Peer( Militairy) and Peer (Imperial Guard), since by definition IG IS militairy. Then again not all are available for all careers, so I'd let them stack. Someone with both is so experienced and understanding of militairy and IG jargon, culture etc. that he will have very easy time to influence IG members.

Other than that, I don't think Peer (Militairy) is that ubiquitous, you don't necessarily need that many Fel tests on such.

In my experience Peer (Underworld), Peer (Nobility) and Peer (Worker) are the widest groups, and I don't deny my acolytes the use of any. Tests are hard enough as they are. Remember they spent precious xp to gain these talents, maybe instead of getting stuff like Quickdraw, more Wounds etc. etc.

Peer (IG, Golgenna Reach, 7th ID Charlie Company, 3rd squad) would be silly, and would hardly ever be used.

Wouldn't Peer (Military) work for tests vs Imperial Navy as well? That was my interpretation at least, using modern-day comparisons (all branches of the US Army belong to the Military).

I was mostly talking about Ascension-level here, since that is where the Peer talents are truly important and very much worth spending xp on.

Nihilius said:

And any PDF, and SoB, and Astartes...

Really though I would imagine most of the Peer talents such as Peer (Military) Peer (Underworld), Peer (Nobility) etc should actually only be relevant in the Calixis sector (if that ever becomes an issue anyway) where as a particular Astartes Chapter or other Imperial Organisation might work farther a field, if that is ever useful.