Hello guys!

I was having a doubt just the other day: what are the end of match procedures regarding a game that goes to time?

Arthur Lannister said:

Yup, that´s definetely an appeal to win. We already discussed this theme tuesday evening, however two players thought that a Ser Gregor with glasses might look a little bit ludicrous. But a solution was quickly found i could be the guy in the artwork that would get smashed by Ser Gregor´s two- handed sword.

So yes, break a lance for Ser Gregor european agot players and let met win the joust!

By the way, i think we should really play with the Baratheon box, that plot the king´s law seems to be gamebreaking. Great to finally have one card that threatens the cards in the shadows.

~Reading this thread certainly seemed like overhearing a discussion about an upcoming FIFA World Cup: so many nations involved!

I wonder what title the Joust Champion will take home and see printed on card:
European Champion? European Joust Champion? Or simply Joust Champion #2?

~Maybe the text will just read: "European Badass"?

I'd have to agree with Old Ben about liking Lords of the Storm to be legal, but I have to say that this is mostly caused by me liking to play Baratheon... not any altruistic reason.

Well, the new plots would both have an interesting effect on the meta, and running Shadow -kneel would also become a bit less risk-free. However I can see the argument of not allowing it, since some players possibly won't get it by then or only very close to the actual tournament.

I ask thorondor a favor. If he can decide in a few days validity of Bara expansion. Cause deck building will be very different in case will be legal and the time to be prepared is not so much ;-)

thx in advance!!!

Gualdo said:

I'd also like a quick response on this matter. Probably I won't have the box prior to the tournament, mainly for distribution reasons - which says much about the fairness in allowing it - but if it IS legal I have to count playing against some of those cards, and deck building and testing takes some time, as I'm not really a great deckbuilder.

Also, I don't know if you read my previous post, but I'd like you to consider what you think should be the end-of-match procedures if a game goes to time; does the game stops immediately when time is called out? Or do the players end the turn they are playing? I think it's very bad if you choose option #1, but from what I understand from the tournament rules that's the official method. But imagine you are picking up the character with stealth that will give you your 15th point on an unnoposed challenge, and start saying "I declar a ch..." and suddenly the head judge yells "Time's up, everyone!"? Does this seems fair? Won't it create unnecessary and unexpected awkward (or worse) situations? How would you feel?

Old Ben said:

It's a big country alright, but for sure not larger than Europe...

I agree with Gualdo, we should know in a few days if the Bara expansion is legal or not.

Personally I don't think it should be legal because it will be very difficult for the majority of players to get the new cards. On the other hand I would love to see the face of some Lanni players after I play The King's Law!

Finally we will have some revenge on those damned Lannisters using shadows

Another solution if it is legal is to have a large stock of box available in staleck...

Gualdo said:

True. But this has to be decided as soon as possible. At least to me, it will alter completely either what I'm expecting to be played and what I will play with.

tovra.pt said:

In the past we usually ended the full round when time was called. That also seems to be the fairest solution to e.g. prevent stalling. And it´s a little bit more satisfying to have the chance to end that certain challenge etc. On the other hand with the new system of modified wins (you count which player is closest to the win) it doesn´t seem to be too unfair or unsatisfying to call time and immediately end the game. Personally i can see both alternatives as viable.

About the Kings of storm expansion, i agree that every player should at least have the chance to obtain a package at Stahleck if it should be part of the tournament. In general i don´t see a special advantage to build a whole new deck, with completely new strategies. A deck with 90 % new cards will ever have the defect that it´s untested. Notable advantages could only come from singular cards, like including the holy plot in your asshai deck, or rebuild your tully deck a little bit and use the knights of the realm agenda, or play the king´s law to avoid shadow madness.

Just again my point of view, i would much appreciate to play with the new cards if everyone has a chance to obtain them. I feel like it will makethe tournament scene more interesting and not just rebuilds of the Gen Con winning decks. Lanni hyper kneel and tRV and toys seem to be too dominant at the moment for my taste.

I will not play baratheon anyway I think, but if it will available to be purchased at staleck in my opinion there is enough time to test decks. So I change my first thinking about this.

Let's have new decks... let's have fun!!!

Old Ben said:

Old Ben said:

I don't know this new system of modified wins? Is there an official document that contains the rules?

New cards mean a new metagame, for sure. But if the annouce is made now that Kings of the Storm will be legal for Stahleck, it will be possible to try and test new decks: it's refreshing, for sure, but it will alter things pretty big. But we just want to know if it will or not...

thorondor said:

i am quoting myself from last week ;-)

okay, its end of the week so a decision should be made.

i just called the german distributor. Kings of the Storm will be shipped on monday from the US to europe. it will arrive on 27th sep (if everything works fine). a few days later, its in the stores. for those not having the chance to purchase personally in a shop, it will take another few days to have them shipped.

this means, we will have Kings of the Storm early oct, some not even before stahleck.

so imo there can only be one decision: NOT tourney legal.

at least not for the big tourneys.

what about making it tourney legal for the nations cup (highlander would be okay as well)? could be fun, cause it provides an extra challenge, having a strengthened house baratheon in the deck-pool.

the end of game procedure will be as follows:

when time is called, players will finish the round.

time call:

joust championship: 55 minutes

melee championship: 90 minutes

nations cup: 50 minutes

draft tourney: 50 minutes

highlander: 50 minutes

Thanks, thorondor!

(1 - I'm sorry, I forgot that you were deciding until the end of this week; 2 - I'm very glad you've came to a decision so fast. Thanks a lot, this timing will really help our deckbuilding! )

Just to clarify: Rituals of R'hllor will be legal for Stahleck, right?

Oh, and a good decision I think, if the timing were that tight, it would not have been good to allow it.

WWDrakey said:

yes, its available since last week already.

tovra.pt said:

it´s in the official tournamnet rules document on the support page. They changed the scoring system for melee as well as joust games.

Good to have a decision about the card legality - even if it´s not my favorite decision. ;-) Heck, it now becomes so much harder not to play Lanni or Martell.

Old Ben said:

I thought that scoring system was for multiplayer only. I guess I must have missed some words. Or phrases. Or paragraphs for that matter.

Yes, it's good to have a decision. ~At least you know what you'll be playing...

tovra.pt said:

Unfortunately not. At least i´m not intending to play Lanni. I´m also not supporting the house of the dragon this time, well and i tend to have unlucky games with Stark. Which leads to playing either Baratheon, Greyjoy or Martell. Ummhh, so it´s probably Baratheon even without the addition of the stormlords expansion. But it´s still 3 weeks to consider.

As for how many games I vote: top 8, because 1st player will be playing 8th, right?

If it is not sufficient, then make 8 rounds not 7, but champion round should be top 8 players.

Thorondor announced that Kings of the Storm will not be legal for all Stahleck AGOT tourneys because FFG hasn't sent any card packs to europe and thus he will not have any available for selling.

Once again we the european players will be left behind compared to the ones from the US.

Why is there no support from FFG to this event, when we will have the largest AGOT joust tourney in the world ever in term of number of participants?

Lord of Blades said:

+1. As a matter of fact, I'd extend your reasoning: my question is not about the support they (don't) provide, but the care they don't have with a clearly large (I won't go do far as to say it's largeR) player base as is the European one, in respect to distribution lines, dates and release events. For Stahleck it really isn't EXTREMELY important, because most formats would not allow for the inclusion of Kings of the Storm anyway, but there will be a time when this will be important. I just hope the necessary corrections are made until then.

My observations in the general TCG area thus far lead me to believe that, as the player base in Europe is generally bigger than in US and that the Asian player base is generally bigger than in Europe, I must be confused by many company policies regarding the distribution of their products, be it Konami, Wizards of the Coast, Cryptozoic/ Blizzard or Fantasy Flight Games. Maybe I'm in the wrong here, but could it be that the management costs for establishing international routes for the distribution of their products surpass the profit they would get out of a larger, or more active player base in foreign countries?

Ey! Talking about the tournament.....

Im a bit nervious! wohoho!! Tomorrow is the day. How many people are expected?

CalamarRojo said:

You are nervous already? Wow, so what you will do before 1st game?

I'm always nervous, but during games, not before

I've heard that there will be 87 people.