Another decision that is completely ridiculous. Why in Gods name would you throw undead and lizardmen in the game as afterthoughts? Oh... let's just add them in as mercenaries... LOL... have you even PLAYED the warhammer game or know anything about the warhammer universe??? Insane. I just cannot fathom why you wouldn't take the opportunity to make EVERY warhammer race its OWN capital and add so many more choices to the game instead of just half assing it and putting them in as extras.

Please, please, please... THINK before these decisions are made and realize the opportunity to make the population happy by giving them more and more main capital decks to use. I bought this game specifically to see each race represented this way and now this? Come on, fix this in the next one and give each race their own capital.

In short, because game mechanics are important as well as flavour.

Honestly, it would be like adding new colours to Magic every other expansion. It wouldn't work well. At all.

That is completely ridiculous and makes zero sense. It would work just fine and there's zero reason that instead of a person playing dwarves across from you it was Undead instead.

Sorry, but no dice.

It ruined Magi-Nation. I loved that card game, but expansions started introducing 2 factions at a time. It was ridiculous, and the game ultimately died. I like the way FFG is doing it so far.

Actually the reasoning is solid. With a BP each month containing only 20 different cards, it would be hard to support more than 6 boards. If you let it creap to 10 or even 12 different racial boards then how would you get people to buy each month. My race would get what 1 card?

In a world with 10 faction boards (you could easily see more), then a BP would have 2 cards per faction and no room for neutrals. So for my $15 I get 2 cards (3 of each) and possibly and more than likely rarely some card from my side (order or destruction) that MAY be used in my deck, though not likely.

With more than 10 faction boards this cuts down to likely 1 card per month plus some kind of neutral that i could use if it matches my build.

So really, the decision to stay with 6 boards and introduce all other factions as some sort of neutral is wise decision because it keeps our 6 factions supported. Which in turn keeps us buying product and thus the game remains successful and therefor supported. Its a good game design and business design decision.

-Bernie

Rhelik said:

While I usually won't bother replying to 'fan boy' posts, I'll reply to this one simply because you actually think that was a valid statement. Its completely false, the ability to 'support' it is the same as 'supporting' six. And in fact everything you stated could be completely ignored by simply supporting the first 6 racial boards in one expansion then releasing a second expansion supporting only the second 6. That way, you can buy just one, or both, depending on what you're looking to get, the expansions could be released closer to one another but still a couple months apart and boom, everyone wins. Sorry, but you need to think it thru. I'm not looking for fan boy support saying "omg, the game is so great please don't ruin it". Just no room for that crap anymore. It just needs time, attention and the effort of the developer to do it right, just like anything else.

This is a card game. A card game needs a lot of effort...All factions have to be balanced...

CoC LCG has 7 different factions (plus neutrals, so they're 8 actually): it happens that you find a couple of Races that aren't working that good from time to time...The same things happens in other LCGs with 6 factions...

I'm pretty happy if there's a flavour/basis...But game mechanics are more important than flavour, especially in a card game like this.

Adding capitals means adding stuff that in a year or so will be pretty similar to the stuff we already got: card games aren't that flexible, especially if hard-faction-based like this one.

You need 6 TOTALLY DIFFERENT factions: you have to recognize each single type of interaction...More factions means more copies of the ones we have...

Then, as someone said, there's the BPs trouble of givin' each faction the right support.

I'm pretty happy to talk about flavours and issues, but I don't really like this kind of rants: everyone is lookin' for the "same old stuff" in this game, while the only thing to do is tryin' to understand what a card game like this really needs. No offense, please.

As a side note, I think they know pretty well the WH environment...GW controls each single print (there's their name too in the WI:LCG products).

Cheers

DB

GW doesn't control this game at all in fact... the licensing only and just a a sign off that there wasn't anything offensive done. (read final approval) whether or not you like the 'rant' is irrelevant. There hasn't been and won't be a point that can say why each race isn't its own capital. Period. We've discussed support and I've already put that to bed... no discussion there. I didn't say every race had to be perfect, if you don't think in the already existing 6 there isn't one that's just a bit better or 1 that's a bit worse then you don't know your cards well. Adding 6 more does nothing other than give choices, and just like the first 6, some will be a bit better some a bit worse. And each expansion can build on that and help or detract from each.

I understand the fan boy attitude that you love your game so don't say anything negative at all... lol. but... the fact is the game is a great game and can continue to be so, and even get better, if they put the time and effort into making a capital for each race. End of story.

Seriously, man? Did you fall into a vat of Haterade in a chemical factory? Chill already.

qwertyuiop said:

And again, someone who doesn't bother to read but wants to jump in. So funny. Had you bothered to read, you'd see straight out... that I think its a great game and want it to continue to be or get better. Wow. Maybe if you took your own advice and 'chilled already' you'd have been able to read that and realize I'm far from a hater. I own every set of invasion to date.

DUH

ellindar said:

Sigh, and yet another random new poster shows up in here whining about something that makes zero sense. If you can't be polite and respect that (unfortunately for you) your opinion isn't the majority one here, then just don't bother posting. Okay? Cool. Furthermore, there are many great reasons for that decision and very few for it. Get over it and either enjoy the game and stop whining or just don't play. I highly doubt they're going to change everything just for you. Nuff said.

Yea, they should have made capital boards for these races - Skaven, Lizardmen, and Undead. I can understand if they don't want to make them full fledged factions, but at least make the capital boards available so that people can use those instead of having to substitute the other boards instead if they want to play mono races like an Undead only deck.

It would add to the aesthetics and fun of the game for these three races to have their own capital with cool artwork. Since they are neutrals, they wouldn't get a loyalty symbol on the board. Maybe they will eventually make these capital boards and sell them as an optional deluxe item, it could happen. I'd buy them!

Wytefang said:

Wow, makes zero sense... lol. So the thought of a capital board for each race makes zero sense? Cool. Didn't know that. Whoa, look at that, the poster just above this one agreed. Hmm, he must make zero sense too. lol. And as for the majority opinion on whether or not each race should have its own capital... i think we should wait and see on what the majority opinion is. "futhermore... so many great reasons for that decision and very few for it." Hmmm, I will assume your sentence meant that there are just so many reasons to not do it, but very few reasons to give them capitals. if that is in fact what you were trying to utter while trying to make yourself feel all big and bad, then yeh, go ahead and give me those? Haven't heard any yet that wasn't debunked, or were you just generalizing because you don't actually have any facts? Yeh...

So... while I didn't say they would change anything for me, I'm sure there are others besides myself that would love to have more races and capitals, not less. Especially fans of Warhammer. In fact, I'm willing to bet there's more people who would like to have a captal for each race than not. So... unless you have something else? Nuff Said. Oh don't let me forget my wink that will make me look sly and that I've 'beat' you in some posting war you've obviously tried to jump into.

I would definitly like more Capital boards.
And I would like extension packs for single factions. I am not interested in Chaos/Dwarf/HE/DE cards, but my BPs are filled with them. Why cant I buy my Orc/Imperium Pack each 3 months with less cards and for less money?
And some introduction boxes for new factions.

Making more factions would only lead to more cards, and I don't like the idea of 2 BPs a month instead of 1. I think the balance of 6 factions is great, and the idea of starting with 4 and then releasing 2 more in a large expansion was awesome. Also, factions are allready showing very similar cards, so what is the point of even more factions with more of the same cards?

PS: what is your problem with people who don't agree with you? How old are you, 9?

jogo said:

I think FFG point in LCG is to offer expandable cardgames that you can easily keep up with in having all available cards and to keep it affordable. A lot of players will be dissapointed if they should quicken the amount of cards released in a month.

Wow, another rant filled, hate filled post by you, seriously. Are you having a bad day in your parents basement or something ?

Your argument here much like in the LotR boards makes no sense and just devolves into you name calling and making cries of Troll to everyone else.

Adding boards for every Warhammer race would not be feasible. It would be impossible to properly support them all in the card game format.

The original poster, while a litle too direct I think to get his point across... is correct in my opinion. There isn't a single person I've discussed Invasion with or have played with that wasn't let down that the other races weren't being implemented as their own capitals. I realize you guys are all fans of the games like I am, (I have all sets and have played for awhile)... the idea of new capitals is always exciting, especially if you're a fan of the table top Warhammer game which I think is where the OP's frustration comes in. I also do agree that support is not really an issue, they could release in seperate expansion and not even release more in a month. Just do half the capitals one month, then the next.

While the OP did open himself up to getting some beligerent comments back, the ones back seemed way more out of line than the OP himself. He does seem to point out in each post where he has already debated points but everyone seems so intent to argue that they aren't reading the posts. My suggestion is everyone in here just settle down, realize the OP has a very valid point that the races all could have capitals and then just agree or disagree and that be it. No reason for attacks on either side, both are very valid opinions. Or are opinions no longer allowed? Is this one of those forums where only if you like the product exactly the way it is are you allowed to post? LOL

As for Toqtamish, I read your attacks on this OP in the LOTR forum as well, and you are here just trying to get more spotlight for yourself. You are the epitome of the description "forum troll". You've offered nothing in the way of details in either thread. Please just agree or disagree and stop trying to fuel hot heads every where you go.

Seriously, can't we all just get along and have opinions? It would be MY opinion only, that aside from these forums and out in circulation, there are most likely way more people who'd like to see each race have a capital than there are who wouldn't like to see it. Again, that's my opinion. Will I now be attacked?

double post -

apologies

I was not attacking anyone, I was disgusted with the OP I was not trying to fuel him either so you dont need to be so rude. He has since been removed from the boards so problem solved.

I certainly hope he wasn't removed due to his opinion, that would be sad. And if it was his argumentive way of posting things, then you should also be removed. And actually several others. But, neither here nor there, the fact remains the original post for this forum is whether or not the races should have their own capitals. I'd like to see what others would like in that arena.

I don't care for his condensending tone. "if you do not agree with me you are a "fan boy" " retoric, HOWEVER I do agree with all have a disctive flavor.

I disagree that game balance is an issue, in fact I woudl argue that there is less game breaking balance issues if you isolate the different feels and flavors of the races as opposed to allowing them to combine.

After all one of the power arch types is the skaven/orc combo. If skaven had there own board, enough cards to justifiy there own race and race cost icons, this allaiance would be a lot less effient and that tad of slow down would actully bring more balance to the game.

I think a good argument can be made that it would be easier to balance the races if they all had independent boards and didn;t have to balance with all three races.

As far as the battle packs balance goes, I think thats a poor arguement as well. Battlepacks can be made bigger and less frequent, so a healthy mix of all races is present, or alternate between order/chaos, or do race specific releases, there are many ways it can be handled.

I feel its more of a cost control, buisness model issue, and this I understand being in the retail/marketing buisness myself. There are cool things you would like to do, and there are the almost cool things you can afford to do and still meet a certain price point.

I was ok with skaven being indpendent destruction neatural, but an theme oppertunity was lost with undead and lizzardmen being flat neutral.

@Orginal poster

I agree with you, however your manner and arrognace is a turn off. You will have trouble getting support for your positions when you make out like anything you dissagree with comes from a ignorant "fanboy" and that an argument is over and you won just cause you say it is.

I had to swallow a bitter pill to take your side on this, but I do agree with you.

It has come up quite a few times in the past and its been pretty common opinion that there's only so many the game could reasonably support on a consistent basis. Started when the Skaven were added as neutrals, which actually as a long time Skaven fan annoyed me for a bit but it does make sense game wise to limit the number of "core" factions within the game. This way they limit the amount of factions they "have to" support on a regular basis. It does make sense even though it does suck at times when your faction is skipped and or made neutral only. With so many factions in the Warhammer universe would be very hard to offer them all. I can't even remember how many there is now, close to 15 I think.

No i dont think there should be a board for each race. I dont care about "your world" fanboy over that in your mini's game THIS Is a LCG and your support idea is BAD. By saying "oh this month we work on these 6 races, and then this month we work on these 6" your destroying a month of gameplay for the under race. Heres a example:

Month 1 (core 6 gets support) FOR MONTH 1 those core six will be a bit stronger then others.. (this is the part were you go, "ohh but its only choices, it dosnt change the game that much" BULL, mining tunnels for the dwarf changed how BOLT decks worked... it made them go SUPER fast.. to the point where they win by turn 4 or 5 with ease.. if they can get a order in chaos loop going.. your done..)

Month 2 (new 6 get support) IF they did there job right.. this month.. everyone is on solid footing.. equal ground.

Month 3 (Core 6 get more stuff) NOW were right back to were we started.. core 6 are stronger then your new 6 or w/e

one group will always be ahead, the others will be playing catch up. NOT thinking about this game as WARHAMMER. JUST as a CARD GAME. I dont want more colors.. Each color has a place, and a job. THATS how they are handling stuff.. YOU want your race to be given its own faction? GO PLAY THE **** MINI GAME.. THIS isnt that game.. this is a CARD GAME at heart.

By spiliting up there focus they will be messing stuff up left and right.. "Oh well vampires need there own board.. lets give them the color teal and they can.. um.. be the main users of necromancy" sure that works in your head. BUT from a mechanics pov., you make it so the game will slow down. If you want to mono vamps, go for it. BUT by not restricting them to a capital, they made it so you can splash in other cards, staples, with ease.

end of my 2 cents, i just wanted to point out one more thing:
Warhammer: Invasion THE CARD GAME.

on a side note: Promo capital boards could be done, with like dark elf color and banner, but vampire art. This is the ONLY way i could see them doing more race boards.

Dwynarc,

I agree, the condescending tone of the OP was his downfall... however, I do feel you've stated the same as I feel about the game itself and in a more elegant manner and I feel addresses the support issues well. I really think that individual boards for each race should be an easy win, but I understand the resistance as it does make more options for people and sometimes thats a bit threatening.

Zephe: I think you're opinions were most likely stil strong due to reading the original posters comments and you seem a bit fired up still, but I do disagree with your view on the support. I absolutely think that a support structure might even be better if there were say 12 races each with a capital and each month they did 4. This would be a regular update for every race once a quarter. With that, you may or may not even want to buy an upgrade a month, or maybe you like all the races and buy each. Either way, it could be the exact same amount of release they do now a month but not effecting absolutely every race each month. IMO that could be a great thing.

And as for your PS... I disagree with trying to say Warhammer the card game is not Warhammer... it is still very much derived from the Warhammer universe and I completely can understand folks who have their favorites. Warhammer has been around what, 30 years almost? I can see folks wanting to see their favs represented. Warhammer is a universe... not just a card game, table top game, or a role playing game. No reason to do exclusions imo. I like it better when a lot of people are getting to do the things they like!