I am beginning to loathe this website

By Twn2dn, in 1. AGoT General Discussion

I have a number of grievances that range from major frustrations to minor annoyances. (Feel free to add your own to this list. Maybe FFG will do something, though I wouldn't cross my fingers.)

1. Any AGOT news/information/etc. is difficult to find. Whereas I previously often visited www.agameofthrones.com, the AGOT-related news is constantly burried by news of other FFG products. The discussion threads are similarly difficult to navigate--one must go through a series of pages just to get to the "A Game of Thrones Discussion Boards." AGOT is NOT EVEN ON THE FFG HOMEPAGE!!! (At least not at the moment I'm writing this.) Nothing about this new site is intuitive, and many things are counter-intuitive. (For example: If I had heard of AGOT but not the "LCG," I would look for it under the "Collectible Card Games" category and probably never realize it exists under an alternative "Living Card Games" category.

2. The "news" page has a sophomoric, unpolished feel to it. Though I appreciate news about AGOT, there is rarely any and it often appears insignificant amongst the various other posts. Moreover, the blog-feel makes the news appear unthought-out and unofficial. This is certainly not the way to get new players involved.

3. The discussion threads are terrible. Typing, the most basic aspect of a thread, reveals technical problems. For whatever reason, every time I hit the new paragraph ("Enter") key, there is an additional space in my text so that I have to skip lines when all I really want to do is insert a paragraph break. Other similar annoyances have also come up, though I'm drawing a blank at the moment. (It's possible the problem is with my web-browser though, as I prefer to use Firefox over IE.) Also, I still haven't figured out how to send personal messages to people. If there is no messaging system, I would be both perplexed (this is one of the most basic features and an important one--I am definitely not going to post my mobile phone number on a public discussion board) and disappointed.

4. I have a sneaking suspician that many of the frustrations I have with the discussion board are intentional. Did FFG choose this structure because it in some way allows them to track us "customers" more easily? Even if unintended, the current FFG site forces visitors to navigate through a series of pages to get to their final destination. This feels a bit like being hearded past other FFG products in a way that is vaguely reminiscent of being shepharded around a tourist visitor's center full of unwanted solicitations. (For future reference FFG, none of this is going to make me buy non-AGOT products. In fact, it is having the opposite affect in that I am frustrated everytime I visit FFG's site and would only ever buy another FFG product if a friend that I trust recommends it to me. My friends that play other games are less likely to recommend things on the discussion boards or elsewhere if they are similarly frustrated by the new FFG site.)

5. Last but not least, this site is f-ugly. Even if "cool" at first glance, the dark colors ensures a dreary feeling and makes spending long amounts of time on the site depressing. (Remember, in website design, "simple" and "bright" are usually preferable to "complicated" and "dark.") Also, the uniformity of the discussion threads across FFG's site reduces the personalization and community aspects of the old threads. Whereas the threads used to feel like they were created for AGOT players (even if, in fact, this was only because a few AGOT pictures had been well-placed), it now feels as if our threads were annexed into some larger, impersonal and almost immoral regime. (If the old threads were the Apple Computer, the news are the disappointing Microsoft variety; if the old AGOT site were a handcooked hamburger, the new ones are the McDonald's $.99 version.)

If you click on the AGOT icon underneath your name, it will take you to a page that shows all recent AGOT news.

1. if you don't want to click on the icon below your name, then bookmark this link: http://new.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite.asp?eidm=10&enmi=A%20Game%20of%20Thrones%20LCG

It also has a link to AGoT specific forums from there

2. its a blurb page, not a full blown story news page. i.e. its press release, not R&D stuff.

3. typing is a personal thing, it either bothers you ro it doesn't. as to personal messages FFG explicitly said (i think) that the forums didn;t have them. In liue of that they are trying out this friend thing (where by allowing someone to be your firned they get your e-mail, which is all PMing is anyway). Some like some don;t, again its personal (and perspective i think)

4. I think FFg did od this on purpose. Did they do it on purpose to frustrate you, ~well are you wearing foil on your head? They wanted a way to bring all their fans together and expose them to other games (points for posting and friends, more points for posting in differnt fourms) essentially they get to advertise to people who already like one of their products about other products.

5. aesthics are person (~i'm just glad the forums aren't borded in white), but i again i think the de-AGoTing of the forusm was to make it more of an FFG community then an 'I only play [insert game here]' community. There are meriets to btoh systems.

sorry you don;t like them, though i think a lot of your issues will be alliviated by the mini site posted above.

Ah, the minisight is the sort of thing I was looking for. Though I can't say I love the alternative, I think this is much better than what I originally had experienced. Was this burried somewhere or am I just somewhat careless in my navigating this website?

Also, I guess I'm beginning to understand the friend thing. It's a bit annoying to do the whole friend thing for a community like ours, but as long as there is a pm-type mechanic, that works for me. Thanks for enlightening me.

All in all, thanks for the responses guys. While I'm still feeling a bit underwhelmed by the current website--dark and dreary isn't for me--and I don't much care for the word processing mechanics, it looks like it isn't as bad as I have been thinking. The minisite is also a big improvement...I'll have to bookmark that. Thanks!

Lol, I sure hope the old boards weren't equivalent to a Mac. I sure didn't feel overly hardware restricted or gypped out of my money.

(Well, until the November announcement anyway ;) )

You know, one of the biggest problems about the friending/email "system" is probably that it's not intuitive at all. Long time forum users of one kind or another are used to PM systems and can easily find and utilize them, yet they are having trouble even discovering that this friending system is able to give them email addresses. I'm thinking that it's certainly not going to be any more clear to Internet newbs either. You know, I didn't really mind the lack of PMs when the boards debuted, but the more and more that I think about it and read these sorts of posts, I can't help but think that whoever is in charge of development for this particular forum software really needs to get on the ball, even if FFG has to put a foot in someone's rear.

While we're at it, can we make it so I don't have to type in my entire frickin' email address every time I log in? sorpresa.gif

The link directly to the AGoT site makes things much better IMHO. Thanks.

isn't there a rember me box? if not there has to be a way to not have to log in every time (i've logged in like twice since the new boards opened, i just don't remember why)

Lars said:

isn't there a rember me box? if not there has to be a way to not have to log in every time (i've logged in like twice since the new boards opened, i just don't remember why)

Yeah, there's definitely a "remember me" box. I, too, would find it annoying if I had to log in each time.

Also, I agree with Kennon's post. I guess the discussion boards do offer a lot of options, but few are intuitive to the experienced discussion-board person. Whereas before I frequently popped in to post something, for whatever reason I find things a little more cumbersome now. (Perhaps it's just a matter of me changing...but I still find it somewhat frustrating.)

Half of the time I'm on here, I have to log in from a shared computer at work. It's set to erase all cookies, so I have to log in every time from it. I really have no problem with logging in every time. I just get annoyed when I have to type @yahoo.com. lol. I'm lazy **** it.

jmccarthy said:

If you click on the AGOT icon underneath your name, it will take you to a page that shows all recent AGOT news.

Out of curiosity, how often do people, even the ones who know about it, do that? The disconnect between the message boards (which I get the feeling is a frequent landing place for people) and the news page (which I do not think people check regularly) is developing into a problem.

Case in point, how many people noticed that 2 days ago, a news article was put up extending the deadline for League signups from Dec. 29th to Jan. 9? Given that we have a post from FFG Paul on the boards reminding us of the Dec. 29th deadline, how many people would have been looking for something like that?

News getting out and news being posted seems to be developing into different things because of the format.

Not only that, but when the latest chapter pack released, there wasn't even a post on the news blog. ~Way to advertise a product's release...

ktom said:

jmccarthy said:

If you click on the AGOT icon underneath your name, it will take you to a page that shows all recent AGOT news.

Out of curiosity, how often do people, even the ones who know about it, do that? The disconnect between the message boards (which I get the feeling is a frequent landing place for people) and the news page (which I do not think people check regularly) is developing into a problem.

Case in point, how many people noticed that 2 days ago, a news article was put up extending the deadline for League signups from Dec. 29th to Jan. 9? Given that we have a post from FFG Paul on the boards reminding us of the Dec. 29th deadline, how many people would have been looking for something like that?

News getting out and news being posted seems to be developing into different things because of the format.

I noticed. Of course, I have my bookmarks set the main page, and I am a fan of many of FFGs games, so I can't limit myself to Thrones. I did have a bookmark setup just for the Thrones site on the old pages, but I don't need to do that anymore.

I didn't notice FAQ 7.1, though, and will have to actually remember to find it and save it.

Sometimes, before leaving our Forum, I click on the Fantasy FLight Games logo in the left upper corner of the website. It takes you to the main page, and there you can check if your games got some new posts from FFG.

Yikes!!! I get tied up with family, work....life... and I come back and everything's kablooie....

What happened to the ability to see the most recent posts (or the posts since last visit)?

I guess it wasn't possible to send folks out an email telling them the old forums were going down....

........Oh yeah, hi everyone....

Black Sword said:

Yikes!!! I get tied up with family, work....life... and I come back and everything's kablooie....

What happened to the ability to see the most recent posts (or the posts since last visit)?

I guess it wasn't possible to send folks out an email telling them the old forums were going down....

........Oh yeah, hi everyone....

Welcome Black Sword! Nice to see you on the forums!

Hey, great to see you here, man!

Good to see you back. I even love your avatar -- perhaps as perfect a choice as you could get. Make me think of a Fantasy Han Solo; I'll be disappointed if I see someone else use it.