Val ; wilding drawer

By Katagena, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Any Phase: Reveal and draw the
top card of your deck. Play that
card as your next response or
action.

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Sorry for my poor english

When I reveal and draw a card, can I keep this card in my hand to play it after (for example: the next phase). Or must I play now?

Katagena said:

When I reveal and draw a card, can I keep this card in my hand to play it after (for example: the next phase). Or must I play now?

You must play it. Here is explanation by ktom.

Thanks you very much Rogue30

Assume that I have only Val in play and it is the marshaling phase. If I reveal Kings in the North, which has a response for winning dominance, and I play nothing else until the dominance phase, will Kings in the North still be in my hand?

No.

The way you are trying to read her text is "Play that card as the next Response or action t hat you take ." However, the "if able" part of Val's text indicates that you must play the card on your next opportunity to play a Response/action - or discard the card.

Your next Response opportunity will be to triggering her ability / revealing a card / drawing a card. Since Kings in the North cannot be played (because its play restrictions are not met) during that Response opportunity, you'll end up discarding it.

Pretty much the only way to "safely" play Val is to know what the card on the top of your deck is before triggering her ability.

Rogue30 said:

Katagena said:
When I reveal and draw a card, can I keep this card in my hand to play it after (for example: the next phase). Or must I play now?

You must play it. Here is explanation by ktom.

ktom said:

Your next Response opportunity will be to triggering her ability / revealing a card / drawing a card.

Does anything about this change if the card that I just revealed / drew was the third extra card that I've drawn for the round?

Your explanation clears up a lot for me, so thank you. I'm seeing that events with only a response on them are going to be pretty hard to pull off with Val, and are probably dead draws.

Bray said:

ktom said:

Your next Response opportunity will be to triggering her ability / revealing a card / drawing a card.

Does anything about this change if the card that I just revealed / drew was the third extra card that I've drawn for the round?

Remember that when you get to the "Response" step on an action window, you can play Responses to anything that happened earlier in that action window and in any order. For example, after a military challenge, you could play Responses for "after a character is killed," "after you win/lose a challenge" and "after a character claims power" (assuming someone has Renown) in any order that you want. That is, you do not have to play "after you win/lose a challenge" Responses before "after a character is killed" Responses just because that's what happened first during the action window.

All this is relevant to your question because when you draw your 3rd card, you still drew a card, so you can Respond to doing so. You couldn't Respond with something like "after you draw a card, draw another card" because you had reached your limit, but that doesn't really have anything to do with Val.

The important thing to remember with Val is what we've already said. The card revealed/drawn must be played during your next opportunity to play a Response or card. Therefore, any action "Phase" effect that takes place in a different phase - and 90+% of Responses - are going to end up discarded.

Got it. Thank you.

What is the maximum number of cards you can draw with Val? Is it infinite? Or does she "draw" as part of the draw cap?

She says to "draw" the card after you reveal it. So it counts as a draw effect and is therefore subject to the draw cap of 3.

just to be sure... the 'draw and play of val' is considered "from hand"??? (it is important for Fear of Winter).

I think it counts but i'd like to be sure!!!

Yes. Since you draw the card, it is in your hand when you play it - either as your next Response or action opportunity. Since it is in your hand when you play it, it counts against Fear of Winter. Which also means using Val when you have already played a card against Fear of Winter means discarding the top card of your deck.

thx ktom it is like i thought but since during these days I had some ruling surprise I wanted to be sure :-)