Now with Deathwatch closely approaching us is FFG going to continue to produce more material for all three rule sets or trash it after they finish what material they have planned out for Deathwatch to turn it all into a Rpg board game like Warhammer 3rd ed. cuz I like see material for having player race's like Eldar to intergrate into my game sessions in stead of always doing Imperium themed stories, I guess what I'm getting at is I'd like to see FFG continue this line until it goes supernova before it becomes known as 40K 3rd ed.

Not keeping up with the news, are we? Both Dark Heresy and Rogue Trader have books scheduled for the next two years.

If they turned the 40k games into that heresy that is WHFR3 i would walk away and never spend another penny with this company. Its bad enough that they did it once, but to do it again...

Actually, I wouldn't be that bothered with a WFRPG 3e version of Dark Heresy/Rogue Trader/Deathwatch, and would actually be pretty interested to see how it would work. Just because you dislike it (though I find it hard to believe that if you have never even tried it, you can have a proper opinion on whether you'd enjoy it or not. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as they say) doesn't mean it's bad.

Remember that, just because they bring out a new edition doesn't mean you can't keep playing the old one.

But yea, there is at least another year or two's worth of books for at least Dark Heresy, and then same again at least (though I'd hazard a guess at 3-4 years worth of books) for Rogue Trader and Deathwatch.

MILLANDSON said:

I think that it's fair to suggest that "enjoyment" needs a context here. You can enjoy a game without enjoying the system just like you can enjoy a meal (or a pudding?) without being overtly impressed with individuals courses or ingredients. If you're allergic to some ingredients, you're going to avoid them more than merely something that you're not fond of.

Of course, food analogies fail or are at least melodramatic, but at the same time it is not unreasonable to extend the concept of gastronomical preference to a roleplaying game. What flavours do you like in your meals/roleplaying games such that, when you are faced by a choice, you will avoid certain selections over others? Sure, you might be missing out on the dream meal of a lifetime, but I would imagine that is the specific combination of GM, player, and story that makes more of a difference.

You don't like the "flavour" of WFRP 3e and don't want to see the Dark Heresy engine go down the same route? I don't like peanut butter and certainly wouldn't want my wife to start requesting that I use it in every meal...

On the other hand, yes, it does seem like the games are going to be going on for a while (fickle fan-base notwithstanding).

Kage

Morangias said:

In a way yes I have been, I picked up RT a few days ago and been reading it since and so far rules wise is no different then WHFRP 2nd ed. but the reason why I started this threat is because after me and my gaming group dropped WH3rd ed like a bad habbit and one of my players brought DH to one of our game nights , we read through it a bit, liked what we read and started playing it a couple of times now and decided to add the 40K RPGs to sessions. but I got to thinking, what are we getting ourselves into if FFG brain farts and redo this line into a Rp/board game like WH 3d ed, lol I mean these books aren't cheap I'd just hate for us to dish out the cash for something thats gonna get screwed later. thats all

It's doubtful that they will ever do that as long as the 40 RPGs are enjoying good sales like they are. The old 2nd fantasty game never had the following that the 40k games do. And I say that as an owner of both 1st and 2nd Ed.....

MILLANDSON said:

Where did i say i've never played WHFR3? i have the Core, Adventure's ToolKit, and Gamemaster's Toolkit. My grouped played it for a month, trying to enjoy it, and at teh end of the month it ended up in a firepit and we came back to DH/RT/Pathfinder/Savage Worlds. Its a bad game, with too any little pieces of cardboard to keep up with and mechanics that do not reflect WHF. Now, is all of that my opinion? 100%, but its an opinion shared by all of the local gamers i know, and likely more as not a single FLGS in arizona signed up for the WHFR3 event. That says something when a whole state is avoiding the game.

SinisterSyx said:

You still have the books though, there's nothing stopping you running it even if FFG did give up support for the line.

I mean, I still play SLA Industries, and that's not had any new books out in years. Doesn't stop me from enjoying it as much as I did when it was getting books published for it.

MILLANDSON said:

While that is certainly true (there is nothing to stop someone using a defunct system), I believe the implication by the original poster was that if FFG made the 40k RPG line into what they perceived as the same RP/board game crossover that WFRP 3e was turned into (arguably), then they would be more inclined not to bother with it at all. It's that whole investment thing (financial, mental) and the idea that the company "suckers you in" to ultimately abandon you and serve their own interests.

Yeah, I know. That's just the way that fans can work.

I must admit that even though I don't use the 40k RPG (based on the Dark Heresy mechanics), I too would dislike FFG to turn them into another variation of WFRP 3e . It just smells of peanut butter.

Kage

I always liked the WHFRP and it's system. I was really happy to see DH and RT in that same system. It is easy to use, plays fast, and easy to teach people new to the hobby. I do not like what WHFRP has become, but I have all the original books, which are quite detailed, so I can just entertain myself with them.

I would not like to see DH, RT or DW turned into what WHFRP was turned into. I do not think they have any plans of doing it, since Deathwatch would have been a perfect candidate for it. I was concerned about how Deathwatch would work with the DH/RT system, and I am glad to see that it appears to do well.

Grand Inquisitor Fulminarex said:

Can someone explain THAT to me? As far as I can tell, the DH, RT, and Deathwatch systems all look like ducks, quack like ducks, and walk like ducks, but are in fact a Wood, Muscovy, and Pekin duck. I see the similarities between each of them, but could no more easily see running them in tandem then I could see comining any of them with WHFRP 2e. The character gen/advancement systems alone are completely alien to one another.

Also, why is that the case? Why don't we just have a 40k RP system w/ various splats?

(sry, I can only assume this is old hat here)