The upcoming Stannis says, "If Stannis Baratheon is the only HB King character in play, he gains: 'Players cannot draw cards through card effects.'"

Knights of the Realm says:

"While you control more Knight characters than each other player, draw 1 additional card in the draw phase.

While you control fewer Knight characters than each other player, draw 1 fewer card in the draw phase."

My question relates to 4.11 of the FAQ: Agenda cards are not considered to be in play. Further, the effects of an Agenda card cannot be canceled.

Would Stannis prevent you from drawing an additional card with the Agenda (assuming your control more Knight characters than each other player)? Maybe I'm answering my own question (correctly), but I'm thinking it would be, "Yes."

It seems that Stannis isn't canceling anything. Instead he is placing a "cannot" effect, which is absolute and can't be overridden according to 4.3 of the FAQ. He also seems to be placing the cannot effect on the player and not the Agenda.

Also, is there a difference between "out of play" and being not "in play". Agendas are not considered to be "in play." Does that mean they are also "out of play" like Shadow cards?

FATMOUSE said:

Correct.

FATMOUSE said:

Does it matter?

FATMOUSE said:

I'm not sure why you ask, but if card is not in play (or out of play) you cannot target it. It prevents plots and agendas from being silly discarded by Wintertime Marauders for example.

FATMOUSE said:

He's actually not placing the effect on either one. When he's the only Baratheon King in play, he is placing a condition on the entire game. Like "there is an Epic phase," "It is Summer" and other general effects like that, the impact is on the flow and rules of the game, not on the choices a player has or the resolution of a particular card effect.

Rogue30 said:

Not really (I don't think), but if I say something wrong someone (i.e. ktom) points it out and corrects it. My goal is to have as much of an understanding of the game as possible.

Rogue30 said:

I ask because phrasing in this game can have different meanings and consequences (i.e. "play" and "put into play").

Thanks Rogue30 and ktom for the help!