I was an early fan of Tannhauser (waited forever for my pre-order)but rather lost interest due to the snail pace of expansions & the rather fractured Rulebook.With the revised rulebook now available I was going to pick it up...but now DUST Tactics.

It's the same Weird WW theme which interest me & it's not tied to the pathfinder system,which is ok but basically limits game play after you have run the missions over & over the same map.Now I'm thinking DUST Tactics seems to be a much more open game for replayability & offers more in the way of gaming than Tannhauser limited modes.The blurb even indicates you can design your own missions based on a point system.

Anyone else feel that DUST Tactics sort of steps on Tannhauser's toes?

OD

Old Dwarf said:

Unfortunately yes.

It is a shame, this game will never get the attention it deserves. I am looking forward to DUST as long as they have pre-paints.

Now watch DUST tactics suffer from lack of releases. =)

Yeah, I have to agree as well. Even though I still enjoy playing Tannhauser from time to time, it just feels like the game still lacks a little flow. I'm looking forward to seeing what Dust Tactics has to offer.

It seems crazy FFG are going to push a similar themed game and possibly put Tannhauser on the back burner. Especially when they had an established game that could have been improved so much further. Why they put a knife in the packs with no real benefit over a gun is an example of lack of thought in this regard. They could still errata this and should in my opinion (Knife allows you to reroll two lowest dice or something).

Tannhauser has huge potential it's just a shame in my opinion that they never introduced some changes in the V2 rules update. The most major one for me would have been to scrap the PFS. This would have allowed them to introduce maps with more game play area, more replayability and made the maps cheaper by being able to put them on thick paper rather than heavy card stock which makes the game very heavy and also reduces expandability of the maps. It would also have made the game cheaper to buy opening it up to those with a slightly lower budget due to the cost save.

If FFG aren't going to do anything with the game then they should give it to someone who will.

Chimaera said:

Tannhauser without the PFS would not be Tannhauser, IMHO. I agree with what you're saying about how it limits the modularity and expandability of maps, but having seen all the crazy ideas for scenarios that cropped up on TOY's website using just the two base maps, I'd say there's plenty of potential to modify the game at large without necessarily modifying the maps.

Besides which, taking out the PFS would basically require a complete reprinting of the game. How many existing Tann players do you honestly think would shell out for a whole new base game this quickly after the first edition came out? I know I wouldn't. I'd just keep playing the old game with the components I have and a nigh endless supply of scenarios to draw on. I suspect trying to radically revamp the game in the manner you suggest would do more to put it in the ground than what they did do with the V2 rules thus far.

I agree DUST Tactics has some eerie similarities to Tann in terms of theme, and I will definitely be watching it as a potential future purchase, but I don't know that it will necessarily impede Tann's own growth from this point forward. In particular, I'm not entirely convinced DT will see as much expansion as Tann has already.

If Dust miniature are one day released as a pre-painted I may buy some of them just to create customs for TH. Unless that I won't invest in another game, I already own too many

Dust Tactics seems like a cheaper version of Warhammer 40k and nothing like Tannhauser. I don't think this changes anything. FFG went out of it's way to buy Tannhauser, re-do the rules, and has expansioins on the way. I know they are all coming out way later than planned, but it's probably an unforeseen production issue, not that they don't like the game. Just because it's not getting the love on the front page of the site, doesn't mean it's forgotten.

I don't see this as the end of Tannhauser but it does give an alternative game within this particular genre. I do love Tannhauser but it's one of those games that you have to help along instead of it leading the players through an adventure. Only time will tell I guess.

One thing that has put me off Dust is the fact the minis won't be pre-painted just base coated. I would have much rather paid the extra money and had the pre-paint version. Really I don't understand why FFG took on Dust when they had so much they could have done/possibilities for Tannhauser.

Chimaera said:

There will be pre-painted set, but by the sounds of it, FFG will only print a limited number of DUST pre-painted.

Be the Lucky few hundred to pay out 300 bucks* and you can own a copy of DUST deluxe miniatures.

*Price is a guess based on other high price pre-painted miniatures.

I could live with 300 bucks or the pounds equivalent if the minis were well painted. I would also wait for some reviews before shelling out just in case its a crap system.

The focus and scale of the two games are different, so I don't see Dust Tactics somehow stepping on Tannhauser's "toes". While they both are decidedly Pulp/Weird War II game Tannhauser is very much a board game rooted in the PFS. Dust Tactics, from what I've seen on this site and my LFGS is more of a standard mini's game like 40k or War Machine.

Chimaera said:

The key thing is "limited"

Seems like not everyone will have access to pre-painted. In other words "Suck to be a lot of us"

I say on FFG

When Dust was still a project developped by Rackham it would have used a version a AT-43 system and the mini were to be pre-painted. Then the game went on hiatus and when it came back in Alderac catalog it was without the pre-paint job and a new game system.

I guess that the deluxe set may be a leftover from early Rackham prouction jobs...

Well if Dust falls out of bed (and it sounds like it already has) with me I guess I can await another game that has just been brought to my attention and what a corker it looks to! Check out the links below. It looks very interesting

www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/73171/earth-reborn

www.zmangames.com/boardgames/earth_reborn.htm

Chimaera said:

Hadn't seen that one yet Chimaera -thanks for the link (and no thanks from my nearly empty bank account... )

Torbal said:

Always glad to be of service to your wallet Torbal

The Tertris style terrain system sounds interesting. Check out some of the fluff and other minis in the link below.

www.zmangames.com/artwork/Newsletter_Issue%2019.pdf

I suppose Dust Tactics will be a substitute for a Tannhauser Tactics game without the occult aspect.

Pity the English Tannhauser Field Ops tatical card game never materialised. Or a minatures version of it.

Take On You memebers once stated that FFG was not interested in Field Ops so they didn't "buy" it nor did they buy the "in development" Cerberus game, a descent-like set in Tannhäuser 30's with prepainted minis.

I always thought a Tannhauser skrimish combat game in 15mm scale (same as Flames of war or Axis and Allies minis) would be fun.

Well I played Tactics @ GenCon and let me tell you Tannhauser has nothing to fear.

They had the new squad packs for sale but I'm a cheap bastard and I wasn't willing to pay $40 to grab them

The good news is the troopers all come with new power items.

hahnarama said:

And you didn't pick them up for me? I know where I stand now.

I don't love you. Anymore.

Gotta agree with Hahn... I demoed Dust Tactics and wasn't really impressed. I see it as a flash in the pan that FFG will throw a ton of money at for a while. The sculpts look nice but are unpainted (unless you throw down $300+ for the limited pre-painted copy). Dust seems too simple for a wargame and too complex for a boardgame. Kind of like an unpainted, less crunchy AT-43.

Tannhauser still has all my interest. Glad the troop packs will be coming out soon but, again like Hahn, I'll wait for them to get to my local online distributor before I plunk down $40 for all 4 figures.

spacemonkeymafia said:

Sad to hear about Dust. I was looking forward to getting the game, even if the rules sucked I would have pre-painted minis to use. But 300 bucks for pre-paints and less than stellar rules does not seem like something I'll buy. My friend is still buying it (unpainted). I'll play it. But the rules from what I read seem to simple for "war gamers" it seems more of a B and P game which is more of my type of game. Dust just does not seem to offer anything new or amazing other than its great theme. 2 major things the stood out and sold me on Tannhauser were pathfinding system (unique) and custom combat packs, nothing new, but was more or less a first for me.

The theme is what got me looking.

@Sundance IMO they aren't worth the $20 pack.....no that's not right...I don't think they will add that much to game play. I will pick them up online @ cheaper cost.

My buddy Rod won (1) of the prepainted sets they gave away. They do look awesome painted.