Firing Two Weapons

By Smirnov2, in Dark Heresy Rules Questions

Sorry if this question was already asked and answered, Can't get a hold of Search engine properly - it won't show me anything :)

The question is about firing two ranged weapons in other then single shot mode.

Dark Heresy Corebook says you can make full-auto (for example) shots wielding two weapons (p 197, firing two-weapons in different modes). But errata says on p 11 that wielding two weapons, you can make a single attack with each as a full action.

This "single attack" is a single shot or a single attack in ane mode?

It is a full round action that can be used to fire either pistol on any mode they are capable of.

And what about Swift/Lightning Attack?

Can I make 2/3 attacks with melee weapon and make full-auto shot with auto-pistol, for example?

AFAIK, yes you would be able to make 2/3 melee attacks and take a single full-auto (or any other fire-mode) ranged attack with a pistol.

You can make 2/3 with your Melee weapon and a single attack with your pistol so no full auto.

If you have Swift Attack and Two Weapon Wielder (Ballistic and
Melee), and are armed with a pistol and a melee weapon, you can,
as a Full Action, make a single attack with the pistol and two
attacks with the melee weapon.

Quoted from the errata

Crate said:

You can make 2/3 with your Melee weapon and a single attack with your pistol so no full auto.

If you have Swift Attack and Two Weapon Wielder (Ballistic and
Melee), and are armed with a pistol and a melee weapon, you can,
as a Full Action, make a single attack with the pistol and two
attacks with the melee weapon.

Quoted from the errata

In this case, a single attack with a pistol can be a single shot, semi-auto or full-auto burst depending on what the pistol is capable of and character preference. It should be the same when weilding two weapons without using Swift Attack, a full round action allows the character to make a single attack with each weapon.

Also quoted from the errata (v. 3.0):

If you have the Two Weapon Wielder talent you can hold two weapons, one in each hand, and can make a single attack with each. This is a Full Action, and both attack rolls suffer a –20 penalty (your off-hand weapon does not suffer the normal –20 off-hand penalty on top of this).

Saying you can make a single attack (as opposed to saying you can attack) with a pistol has to mean you can make a single shot since you can never make more than 1 attack with a ranged weapon, or at least thats how I read it.

If they had said, you can make attacks like normal with your pistol then sure go ahead and make a Burst or Full Auto but since they say single attack I believe they mean 1 shot.

Crate said:

Saying you can make a single attack (as opposed to saying you can attack) with a pistol has to mean you can make a single shot since you can never make more than 1 attack with a ranged weapon, or at least thats how I read it.

If they had said, you can make attacks like normal with your pistol then sure go ahead and make a Burst or Full Auto but since they say single attack I believe they mean 1 shot.

I see where you are coming from, I think they just used unfortunate language when describing a single attack in this context. I think the writer was trying to make clear that you could not attack more than once with a ranged weapon (a clarification I'm not sure that was necessary).

The problem I have with your interpretation is that if a single attack does indeed refer to a single shot with a ranged weapon, it means that you could only make a single shot attack when dual weilding two pistols. But we know from the ruleset that you can make such attacks using any fire-mode that the pistol is capable of.

Well it could ofcourse be a poor choice of words from the writer but Im thinking it like this:

If we already know that you can fire 2 pistols on any combination of single/burst/auto then the reason for the writer to say Single attack when talking about the combination of melee+pistol must mean that you can only fire off a Single shot.

Oh hell I don't know, wish it was possible to see the intent of the writer.

Crate said:

Well it could ofcourse be a poor choice of words from the writer but Im thinking it like this:

If we already know that you can fire 2 pistols on any combination of single/burst/auto then the reason for the writer to say Single attack when talking about the combination of melee+pistol must mean that you can only fire off a Single shot.

Oh hell I don't know, wish it was possible to see the intent of the writer.

There is. Ask for an official clarification on the matter from the Developers. Of course, realize that the staffers are all out of office until Tuesday and that you may have to wait until Wednesday for a response. When all else fails, and more than one party has a reasonable interpretation to the rules, ask the Devs what was intended. gui%C3%B1o.gif

The thing is that I could have sworn this has been gone over and officially ruled on in the past, but trying to find things in the forums is kind of like looking for living dodo bird sometimes. It's just not gonna happen.

-=Brother Praetus=-

Brother Praetus said:

There is. Ask for an official clarification on the matter from the Developers. Of course, realize that the staffers are all out of office until Tuesday and that you may have to wait until Wednesday for a response. When all else fails, and more than one party has a reasonable interpretation to the rules, ask the Devs what was intended. gui%C3%B1o.gif

Embarrased to ask, but how do you ask them? Plain PM or is there a form to be filled in?

Smirnov said:

Brother Praetus said:

There is. Ask for an official clarification on the matter from the Developers. Of course, realize that the staffers are all out of office until Tuesday and that you may have to wait until Wednesday for a response. When all else fails, and more than one party has a reasonable interpretation to the rules, ask the Devs what was intended. gui%C3%B1o.gif

Embarrased to ask, but how do you ask them? Plain PM or is there a form to be filled in?

It's a form that you fill in, the link is right down at the bottom of the page under the FFG copyright notice as "Rules Questions".

Alternatively: www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_faq.asp

Is it me, or the form is malfunctioning?

I was trying to ask an unrelated question and was getting a script error as well. Error text as follows.

error '8004020f'

/edge_faq.asp, line 59

Maybe someone can look into it?

Smirnov said:

Is it me, or the form is malfunctioning?

I was having issues earlier in the week as well. Thought is was just something off on my end, as my connection acts up in weird ways at times; our router is somewhat misanthropic these days.

-=Brother Praetus=-

Post Script: Glad the forum lets you know when someone posts in a thread before you. I was getting the same error message.