In Oblivion it mentions troop transports any stats on multi laser?

There are some in the Inquisitor's Handbook, though those are at least theoretically man-portable.

Marines using multilasers? Down this road leads much vitriol towards the BL author, Goto. Be warned you are. Hmmmn...?

<puts on best Yoda impression>

(And, just in case it wasn't realised, I'm being tongue-in-cheek.)

Kage

The only thing that really matter is its rate of fire, which was -/-/10 from what I recall. I would say that any shot from a mulitlaser will take down a point of magnitude.

Space Marines shouldn't ride in any ground transport other than a Rhino or Razorback. Anything else is unnatural.

Multi-lasers are the Imperial Guard's territory.

Space Marines use Heavy Bolters, Stormbolters, Lascannons, Plasma Guns, HK Missles and Assault cannons on their ground transport, not silly multi-lasers.

And under no circumstances have they ever used shuriken catapults!

...Except when they have. In the past.

Move along!

Kage

Cifer said:

Thanks mate your a star.

LeBlanc13 said:

If you read and use your eyes they are guard transports not marine transports.

(NO offence was ment in this reply.)

That and I highly doubt a Marine is going to refuse transport in someone else's Chimera if he needs to get somewhere quickly and has no traditional methods of transportation.

BYE

H.B.M.C. said:

Would the marine fit inside, or would he have to sit on top ?

Bilateralrope said:

Bilateralrope said:

I would say yes. Given Ogryn fit inside (and count as 2 models in the TT), I think a Marine can fit inside (probably also using comparable space). Might not be comfortable, but comfort is for the weak. And a Chimera's max speed of 55kph (using the off-road) it beats the Marines running at ~20-22kph.

Miss Dee, something else to remember, Chimera also have hull mounted heavy bolter or heavy flamer; may have a pintle mounted heavy stubber or heavy bolter, and 6 firing ports (3 right, 3 left). There is a lot of potential firepower to the things.

For more information, I highly recommend checking Lexicanum 's entry on the precious little things.

-=Brother Praetus=-

H.B.M.C. said:

Come on, for a Marine who is already wearing power armor it would actually make sense to sit on the top. The marine is much more likely to spot enemy and kill it while sitting on the top of the tank. If he is inside he is unable to see and/or fire properly and only gets is tangled into the molten metal when someone gets close enough to blast the Chimera to kingdom come.

Brother Praetus said:

The six firing ports have lasguns built into them, generally speaking. Also remember that the Astartes have the "poor manual dexterity" penalty from their armour, imposing a -10 penalty on tests for fine manipulation of objects not designed for Astartes use... I imagine that the controls of a Chimera or any of its weapons would be designed for human use, making them too small for a Marine to effectively use, so I'd apply that penalty here.

I imagine that the controls of a Chimera or any of its weapons would be designed for human use, making them too small for a Marine to effectively use, so I'd apply that penalty here.

I'd agree about the weapon systems (and I could see a Marine ripping open the viewport with the power fist so he can use his boltgun instead), but I'd assume the steering mechanism could be a simple "one big lever per chain track" system as it was usual for tanks a while back. Of course, whether the Astartes could actually fit into the driver's seat is another question...

Polaria said:

miss dee said:

It's a good thing I'm legally blind or reading this with my eyes could have offended me. In fact, I had to use my glasses which were apparently fogged up and clouding my vision. Thanks for setting me straight Missy Dee! Without you I wouldn't have ever known that I have faults.

My post was also tongue in cheek just in case you missed it from the over the top sarcasm that I'm spreading on pretty thick.

Just as a side note, back in 1st 7 2nd edition, any access hatch on the old Rhinos (the 2 side hatches) would accomodate 1 shooter each with an arc of fire of what ever way that side faced. The rear hatch could accommodate one or two shooters, and the roof hatch (Barn Door Style) would accommodate 2 or more shooters.

Additional rules also stated that if a figure could fit in the hatch way it could count as being in heavy cover and still fire, further rules (which i know were for Orks and could be applied to other armies too) stated that if a figure could fit on the vehicle it could "Ride It" and still be able to shoot but not gain the cover bonus Unless (on especially the Ork vehicles) there was some kind of armour on top of the vehicle such as armour sheets and so forth.

Velvetears said:

People feared my wartrukks, painted red and covered with almost 20 models, all shooty, even had 3 or 4 orks hangin off the left and right hand sides using custom hands. it was instanity, and alot of fun. I miss those old rules sometimes

Ah the good old "Red Wunz go Fasta!" rule, what was it, an extra D6 inches move per turn, rolled randomly each turn? ah good old days!

i have decided to make thw transports arbites transports, this made sense to me as the transports used by the arbites are comonly rhino based so would be more familiar and more comfortable for the players to be in and actually drive

Velvetears said:

and a big freakin' pile of boyz on the truck as well.

One fave tactic from back in those days was to use cotton or fishing line to have ziplines and netting in which a weapon could snag and so count as to the ork being on the vehicle

H.B.M.C. said:

I wouldn't count on power armor fitting through the hatch and the view-ports are made for lasguns, not Astartes-pattern bolters... I mean real world IFVs are built **** tight, there is very little room inside even if you are the guy wearing the sort of gear its supposed to be used with. If you are not you'll probably be in trouble. Yes, Chimera can carry 6 Ogryns, but that does not mean all Chimeras can. I would assume an Ogryn-units Chimera would have a bit different inside-layout than one used by 12 guardsmen in their combat gear.

In real world soldiers sometimes exit IFVs just because its more safe outside it. Vehicles are **** big targets, tending to draw the fire of each and every anti-tank weapon nearby and its far more effective to be without the theoretical protection of the armor and with a clear, unobstructed line-of-sight so you can actually kill the enemy before he can shoot your tank instead of praying you live through the first hit inside the tank. Because US army knows this, I fully assume Space Marines certainly know it.

They have a hatch like on the back of a rhino.