Fro me a NPE is two things: eighter my opponent tries to cheat or I have a bad feeling about my deck.

The first, I have never came across in AGoT so far so I am glad.

The second happened to me twice in last 2 years. I always try to build new deck for each tournament we have in Czech republic aproximately 8 times a year. So there is always a lot of playtesting and sometimes I dont have many opponents (or different deck types) to try it with. So so far happened to me twice that my deck was doing really ok in the Swiss rounds but then in the end I lost in a horrible match. What I mean is that first it was my CCG Lannister deck focused on kneeling and haveing a lot of infamy to protect my powers. I did very good in the swiss and later on I made to the final table agains an opponent i lost like 13-15 in the bacis rounds. So i thought it is going to be a even match again, but he beat me in 20 minutes in 3 plots. Similar thing happend to me two month ago when I played my LCG Bara rush deck. I made it to semifinals without losing and then lost againg in like 20 minutes (with an opponent i have beaten before). These two games made me feel bad after the tournament. How can I not lose a single game in the first 6 rounds and then lose so bad in the semifinals (finals). Was I lucky for 6 games and then my luck wear off? Where did I made such a big mistake...? Shouldnt I have mulligan? I felt really bad after those two tournaments but I got over it fast, but this is something i consider a NPE.

Well NPE are very subjective, in every game you'll have certain players who don't understand the basic point of a game is too have fun, while the objective is to win. Now certain cards/combo's can make the game itself a bit 'sour'. (the bara plot that stole a character permanently for example was a good contender for some people)

Now the only true NPE i've had so far in Agot is (unlimited) Trait manipulation (changing someone into a raven and discarding him, or making him a dragon while dragon bite is in the challenge) According to me it just doesn't belong in the setting of Agot.

mig - you shoudl ahve seen it with the warships? That was AWFUl and a total NPE - like rings alluded to above: it shattered the immersive feel and made it very, very clear you were just playing cards. Gossiping Freaking Bard. I'm surprised he hasn't been reprinted yet (though it was really the Longship that was the distasteful part).

Or the wildling that you coul play with some penalty and claim 2 power for it. And then copy it and then copy it again and claim 6 powers for nothing an win the game...

Stag Lord said:

~Don't give them ideas!!!

I actually liked Gossiping Bard as a pretty Nedly card (although, you know me, it shoudl have been Marillion and unique). But it was really hard to balance due to all the trait stuff this game uses (which I love, other than stealing effects).

You're right - on all counts: especially that it should have been/be unique for a variety of reasons. and that teh card in and of itself wasn't overpowered. Even the deck build - though strong (see sithlord and ironborn that year at worlds) wasn't broken and could be dealt with, given just a couple of key cards (ally hate, low STR hate) - which getts us full circle to jeffk's issue again, in GoT's past.

All in all though, the biggest NPE was that is just didn't feel like anything remotely close to Westeros when you used your bard to name a character a warship and then used another boat to discard him. Wait! WTF?!

For me, the only NPE is losing.

I say that tongue-in-cheek, of course. Mostly...

longclaw said:

I sure wouldn't. ;-)

finitesquarewell said:

Pretty much the same for me

It seems the ones that consider losing as an NPE, are the ones who win a lot. lol

I don't think I win enough games to consider anything but a one sided game an NPE.

I played a game with Staton last night. He shut my deck down first turn, and I couldn't come back. That is really the only way I can have an NPE in this game, by having a one sided game. Since it was a casual game, I didn't really care so much. But had it been a competitive environment, I would have lost my taste for the game probably for the rest of the day.

By far the biggest NPE for me is not being able to find anyone to play with. Yes, there is Octagon, and I do play on Octagon sometimes, but it's just not the same for me. I don't use censored cards which means I can never use the most current cards in my decks, and it lacks the social interaction of actually sitting at a table and playing with someone.

Beyond that, my only other NPE in GoT that I can recall is playing against someone who plays my deck for me (a Lannister hyper-kneel deck, for example). Mind you, this is still far behind the above NPE. With AGH getting errata'd, I think the Lannister hyper-kneel wouldn't even be so bad anymore. Still effective, yes, but I think I'd at least be able to get off a challenge or two now.