Follower drawn when you have the Hag, or are a Toad

By Zapranoth, in Talisman Rules Questions

Suppose you have the Hag, or else you have become a slimy little toad.

You draw a card that is a follower.

1. What happens to the follower? Is it discarded, or does it stay on the space?

2. If you draw the Black Unicorn and defeat him, what happens to him? Is he left on the space, for another character to fight in the future? (Obviously, if you draw him you have to fight him, and if he defeats you you then lose a life and he remains on the space. But if you defeat him somehow -- it is very unlikely but remotely possible -- then what happens?)

1. I don't know if there's anything in the FAQs about this, but the way my group plays: if a hag-cursed character draws a follower, the follower is left in the space, not discarded.

2. I've never seen the hag / black unicorn scenario happen. I would say that if you defeat the black unicorn but you have the hag, then the black unicorn gets discarded. But would you receive a craft for him (since he's 7 craft)? I don't know.

Zapranoth said:

Suppose you have the Hag, or else you have become a slimy little toad.

You draw a card that is a follower.

1. What happens to the follower? Is it discarded, or does it stay on the space?

2. If you draw the Black Unicorn and defeat him, what happens to him? Is he left on the space, for another character to fight in the future? (Obviously, if you draw him you have to fight him, and if he defeats you you then lose a life and he remains on the space. But if you defeat him somehow it is very unlikely but remotely possible then what happens?)

#1: Stays on space.

#2: How's that Toad defeating the BU gui%C3%B1o.gif ? BU offers the choice of taking it as a Follower or trophy if you beat it. If you have the Hag, the Follower-option isn't available, so trophy is "all" you get. Auto +1 Craft isn't horrible though and BU is on of the few cards in the regular Adventure deck that can help you beat the "discard a 7 point trophy" Quest.

Yah I know toad beating the black unicorn is nigh impossible. But if there's a pool of strength nearby, and YOU had lost the black unicorn due to being toaded, you could move, gain strength, move, move back and gain strength and then fight (so be a toad with strength 3)... then you roll a 6, and the unicorn rolls a 1. Yeah, lame I know. :D

Thank you guys for answering the question. It seems appropriate in that the spirit of being toadified is that it should SUCK, SUCK, SUCK. And if you followers for others to pick up, well, that just SUCKS. :)

Zapranoth said:

Yah I know toad beating the black unicorn is nigh impossible. But if there's a pool of strength nearby, and YOU had lost the black unicorn due to being toaded, you could move, gain strength, move, move back and gain strength and then fight (so be a toad with strength 3)... then you roll a 6, and the unicorn rolls a 1. Yeah, lame I know. :D

I think you mean Fountain of Wisdom, since Str 20, Craft 1, you're still losing to the BU. Also, your combo really needs another turn as Toad to work.

Turn 1: Toaded.

Turn 2: Move off, draw FoW for +1 Craft.

Turn 3: Move off.

Turn 4: Back to FoW for +1 Craft, un-Toaded.

BU and FoW in the same space would mean you fight the BU first (encounter #3 vs #6 IIRC).

Additionally, when you lose special Followers, like a defeated BU, Minstrel's Animals, etc. they are discarded (as in discard pile), not ditched (as in on the board). At least that's the official ruling, if you want to houserule for ditching, it's your call.

Ah, you ditch the black unicorn if toaded.. that I did not know.

Zapranoth said:

Ah, you ditch the black unicorn if toaded.. that I did not know.

No-no, discard. IIRC, Velhart prefers the ditch option, so the BU goes back on the board, becomes a Craft 7 Enemy again, same deal with Ghoul's and Minstrel's Followers, they revert back to their original form. I go with the discard pile official ruling.